All Blacks 2021
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
Roll on February 18!
Maybe this thread should be locked since it's now 2022?
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Fuck my pet hate aimless box kicking,Waste of possession.
2021 I saw more of this than ever before.
Just stop it.
A tactic that is used when you have no clue how to breakdown a defence.
And your ideas on creative defensive organisation are impotent.You're bloody clueless... reckon you'd have trouble analysing the back of your own hand.
You must see a lot of the back of your hand at least every time you jump on here and talk shit.
Stuffs your argument then I was agreeing with you on the use of the box kick FFS.
You don't have any ideas about how to counter the flat defences.
So you would box kick?
And no name calling please.
I've edited your post.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@rotated said in All Blacks 2021:
I'm in favour of a Razor appointment in the style of Rassie, Cheika or Mitch given where we are in the cycle. He is well suited to shake things up and will improve the side in the short term. But we have to be realistic that over the medium to long term the odds are against him.
Change/shake-ups can often bring a temporary improvement ( it's called the Hawthorne Effect) and that, along with a cold, hard look at top level rugby in NZ, is probably the best way forward.
Just swapping out Foster isn't going to fix the bigger problems.
Those problems are a pretty easy fix though - the guts of it is that the forwards are not doing the hard yakka by taking the ball up, so the backs are not getting good platforms to work from, also we need a shake-up in the set pieces... & the playmakers 9 & 10 are not making smart decisions.
We have a head coach & assistant coach that are way out of their depth... if one of the following, Robertson, Schmidt, Brown or Joseph replaced him as head coach & with their own assistant they'd fix this shambles Foster created pretty quickly.For how long? What happens when they fail after the 1st or 2nd year? Then what? Back to square one with another coaching team, and then another?
The problems with the current AB's performance - e.g. half-back succession, lack of physicality, front-row stocks - have been around for quite a while and run far deeper than just the coaching setup. Unless those issues are analysed and fixed, better get used to the win ratio slipping.
The idea that all the problems and losses since 2016 are all uniquely down to Foster and can all be solved by getting rid of him is at best simplistic, at worst a self-defeating comfort blanket with the potential to make things worse.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
Just to clarify @NZbloke how DO you beat the rush defence?
Obviously it's with the use of the
boxcrosschip kick!Remember the FBL experiment?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
Just to clarify @NZbloke how DO you beat the rush defence?
Obviously it's with the use of the
boxcrosschip kick!Remember the FBL experiment?
Trying not to
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
That doesn't mean we should accept mediocrity & continue persisting with our underwhelming 'continuity' option.
I never suggested we should.
I'm just pointing out that to blame and locate the date of the slide in AB performance, and lack of quality players in NZ rugby, entirely on one bloke's presence in the coaching set-up is nonsensical - as is thinking all those problems will be magically fixed by one or two other blokes.
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@victor-meldrew so when a former player of Foster's at the Chiefs gives a scathing assessment of his coaching methods that isn't of any concern to you?
“I haven’t seen any progress”: Devine concerned for All Blacks under Foster
Back-to-back defeats in Europe.
“It was quite loose and unorganized as nobody really knew their role. I look at the team now and it’s exactly what I'm seeing.”
You don't think that we could possibly see a significant improvement in performance by appointing someone more qualified?
After all, Chiefs won just 49% of their matches between 2004-2011 under Foster's coaching (encompassing 108 games in total).
Then, in a stark contrast, Chiefs went on to win 69% of their matches between 2012-2017, since Foster had departed...
Isn't that sufficient evidence to suggest to you that the majority of our problems lie with the current coaching staff?
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew so when a former player under Foster at the Chiefs gives a scathing assessment of his coaching methods that isn't of any concern to you?
“I haven’t seen any progress”: Devine concerned for All Blacks under Foster
Back-to-back defeats in Europe.
“It was quite loose and unorganized as nobody really knew their role. I look at the team now and it’s exactly what I'm seeing.”
You don't think that we could possibly see a significant improvement in performance by appointing someone better qualified?
After all, Chiefs won just 50% of their matches between 2004-2011 under Foster's coaching (encompassing 108 games in total).
Then in stark contrast, the Chiefs went on to win 69% of their matches between 2012-2017, after Foster had departed...
Isn't that sufficient evidence to suggest to you that the majority of our problems lie with the current coaching staff?
You're quoting a bloke who was once coached for a few weeks by Foster nearly 20 years ago and using that as proof for your assertion that each and every problem with AB rugby is uniquely down to one man? Seriously?
Do some analysis to identify what the real problems might be rather than cherry-pick and do google searches for "evidence" to support what is, frankly, a rather loopy theory.
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@kiwi_expat A friend of mine is an ex-Chiefs player and says he was f-ing useless. Basically the same stuff Devine is saying.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew so when a former player of Foster's at the Chiefs gives a scathing assessment of his coaching methods that isn't of any concern to you?
“I haven’t seen any progress”: Devine concerned for All Blacks under Foster
Back-to-back defeats in Europe.
“It was quite loose and unorganized as nobody really knew their role. I look at the team now and it’s exactly what I'm seeing.”
You don't think that we could possibly see a significant improvement in performance by appointing someone more qualified?
After all, Chiefs won just 49% of their matches between 2004-2011 under Foster's coaching (encompassing 108 games in total).
Then, in a stark contrast, Chiefs went on to win 69% of their matches between 2012-2017, since Foster had departed...
Isn't that sufficient evidence to suggest to you that the majority of our problems lie with the current coaching staff?
And it's an opinion that the player is entitled to, and I have read Duane Monkley sayig how good a coach he thinks Foster is, as does Plumtree who has worked with a good number of top coaches reckons he is best coach he has worked with. So good to hear but we can read and believe which ones suit our argument.
Kiwi coach labels Ian Foster as 'best' head coach he's worked with
All Blacks boss Ian Foster has been named as the
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@dan54 '"He was quite a step above both Mitch [Mitchell] and Gatty [Gatland] at that particular time, from my experiences.'
That's hardly a glowing endorsement.
The contracting issue is a fair point, but none of which addresses the fact we're playing yesterday's gameplan.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
Just to clarify @NZbloke how DO you beat the rush defence?
Obviously it's with the use of the
boxcrosschip kick!based on his reply to @chris im going to assume @NZbloke 's solution is to tackle one of our own players, i dont see how it will help myself but i dont have his vision
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew so when a former player of Foster's at the Chiefs gives a scathing assessment of his coaching methods that isn't of any concern to you?
“I haven’t seen any progress”: Devine concerned for All Blacks under Foster
Back-to-back defeats in Europe.
Who was that player? Devine was a Blues player wasn't he? And now he is associated with click bait journalism. Hardly any concern at all.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 '"He was quite a step above both Mitch [Mitchell] and Gatty [Gatland] at that particular time, from my experiences.'
That's hardly a glowing endorsement.
The contracting issue is a fair point, but none of which addresses the fact we're playing yesterday's gameplan.
Mate read my post, it's Plumtree's opinion only, though I suspect he has more experience than you and I.
I see you have conveniently missed the fact he has said the best he has worked with, and that includes Schmidt and Joseph I believe, but you have cherry picked Gatland and Mitchell to prove a point? Neither who I am a particular fan of, but both have pretty good resumes'
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 '"He was quite a step above both Mitch [Mitchell] and Gatty [Gatland] at that particular time, from my experiences.'
That's hardly a glowing endorsement.
The contracting issue is a fair point, but none of which addresses the fact we're playing yesterday's gameplan.
Mate read my post, it's Plumtree's opinion only, though I suspect he has more experience than you and I.
I see you have conveniently missed the fact he has said the best he has worked with, and that includes Schmidt and Joseph I believe, but you have cherry picked Gatland and Mitchell to prove a point? Neither who I am a particular fan of, but both have pretty good resumes'
My quote of Duane Monkley comes from the stuff article. And neither Mitch nor Gats strike me as tactically gifted.
Plumtree's quote is about culture.
Perhaps read your own post.
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Sometimes I wonder whether Dan54 and Victor Meldrew are some of Ian's relations, as I haven't come across such unwaveringly dedicated and loyal apologists of Fozzie on this forum, nor anywhere else (obviously, with the exception of old mate Shag Hansen..) In many ways, I can't help but admire their persistence and ability to not allow external viewpoints to influence their positions.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
unwaveringly dedicated and loyal apologists
Just because people disagree with lazy Fozzie bashing, doesn't make them apologists.
