All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@antipodean Totally agree, I don't think the Irish players are more skilled then the ABs. But fuck me they were all on the same page and the fluidity to their attack and structure was fantastic.
The ABs rushed passes and lack of ball control really is an issue. It's almost as if the players are trying to create something from nothing and don't have confidence in their systems. The two teams were worlds apart in terms of structure and gameplans. -
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
From what I observed, it's not a skill issue; rather a composure one.
Me too. They seem to have also lost the ability to control the tempo of the game, calm down and do the simple things well when under pressure. Disappointing as the signs of that were starting to show up against Oz and the 1st Boks game.
That's a big part of the 10s job and why I was so pissed off at Mounga.
But who should be and isn't talking to Mounga?
I remember Carter praising Nonu for talking to him all the time about how he saw the game unfolding. Perhaps that why AS seems so key to our success as the newer players lack the experience or confidence to speak out
EDIT: I should add that this is something for the coach to fix.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
From what I observed, it's not a skill issue; rather a composure one.
Me too. They seem to have also lost the ability to control the tempo of the game, calm down and do the simple things well when under pressure. Disappointing as the signs of that were starting to show up against Oz and the 1st Boks game.
That's a big part of the 10s job and why I was so pissed off at Mounga.
shows how much we rely on smith for this
@Victor-Meldrew yes, and i think this is where having a clear preference in each position help, with several games in a row to build that confidence in each other
currently pretty much every position in the backline as at least 2 people who have an even shot at starting
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@mariner4life We are in trouble - but, it's stuff that might be repairable in a week. After all, we had two close games vs the World Champions and shared a series with them.
UK articles after the Italy match were sniffing blood in the water and reckoning we were jaded and ripe for the taking. I didn't give that much credence at the time, because that was our B team - and we brought plenty of defensive intensity and workrate vs Ireland - but, every time we had a chance to break the shackles we fucked it up - by dropping a kick-off or an untidy exit, or an aimless kick, or a wild pass, or shit handling, or losing our own lineout throw.
We need to be brighter. I've barely got the heart to ask who tapped and ran a penalty under our own posts when we'd been pinned down there? I guess if they were looking for an element of surprise it probably worked, because it fucking surprised me!
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@Victor-Meldrew yes, and i think this is where having a clear preference in each position help, with several games in a row to build that confidence in each other
Explains why Foster is sticking with Havili?
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@victor-meldrew i mean...he is except when he goes with QT or ALB.....
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
From what I observed, it's not a skill issue; rather a composure one.
Me too. They seem to have also lost the ability to control the tempo of the game, calm down and do the simple things well when under pressure. Disappointing as the signs of that were starting to show up against Oz and the 1st Boks game.
That's a big part of the 10s job and why I was so pissed off at Mounga.
But who should be and isn't talking to Mounga?
I remember Carter praising Nonu for talking to him all the time about how he saw the game unfolding. Perhaps that why AS seems so key to our success as the newer players lack the experience or confidence to speak out
EDIT: I should add that this is something for the coach to fix.
Should also be the fullback who has time and space to look downfield and call options. I dont see JB doing that.
Even at school level, if we went into a game where we expected to be kicking and putting pressure on the 10 would get calls from the 15 based in a grid of nine zones. eg 1 meant far left, three far right, 4 medium left, 6 medium right etc.
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So Foster blames the backs and states he is pretty happy with his forwards.
Today Plumtree comes out and says the Forwards need to stand up because they are just as responsible. and they were not good enough, which is it.
Good to see they are on the same page or are they confused,How about the coaching staff take some responsibility, noooo of course not they do no wrong. -
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@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
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@chris in general yes...but...when ask the also say they're aiming to play this broken counter attack kind of rugby...but when they get the ball in broken play they look frantic...are they looking for an organised kind of broken play?
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris in general yes...but...when ask the also say they're aiming to play this broken counter attack kind of rugby...but when they get the ball in broken play they look frantic...are they looking for an organised kind of broken play?
I don't know it looks like they are a bit confused, maybe no clear messages from the coaching staff.
as JB mostly kicked the ball straight down centre field and gave possession away, normally we would try to counter attack with space in front of us.
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@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
Did RM drop back into the pocket more and put the ball in zones behind the rush line? Nope. Did the midfield stand deeper and have JB take an angled line? Did the wings come on runs inside or outside RM?
Just played plan A.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
Did RM drop back into the pocket more and put the ball in zones behind the rush line? Nope. Did the midfield stand deeper and have JB take an angled line? Did the wings come on runs inside or outside RM?
Just played plan A.
Totally. Unbelievable that nothing changed. No depth, or playing off nine. Just same old and hope for better outcomes. And from the review it seems the ABs still think that way. Utter lunacy
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
Did RM drop back into the pocket more and put the ball in zones behind the rush line? Nope. Did the midfield stand deeper and have JB take an angled line? Did the wings come on runs inside or outside RM?
Just played plan A.
No and why is that there is more than I leader in the backline but none of them adjusted,Coaching instructions to stay inside the pattern we don't know do we.
But the same shit is happening with different players in those positions so are they all shit.
It has happened with Smith and BB there and ALB and JB.
Maybe its the one constant the coaching with their instructions.These players do it at SR level not as intense but they still think to change things but not in the AB's,Why ?They don't stray from one plan Why ?
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social media really is a mad place sometimes, i have seen so many comments after how the AB's will 100% bounce back, people asking "have the AB's ever lost two in a row?" and at best someone will comment 2008 or something.....and im sitting there thinking...."last year....did i imagine 2020?"
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@kiwiwomble TBF, I had forgotten we lost them on the bounce last year, I asked the question about 2 in a row back at the start of this thread (or maybe in the Ireland one?)
