All Blacks vs Wales

booboo

Mike's post did have a graphic attached earlier ... seems to have gone. 
Here: 
WALES SQUAD 
Forwards: Rob Evans, Tomas Francis, Paul James, Gethin Jenkins, Rhodri Jones, Samson Lee, Scott Baldwin, Kristian Dacey, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, Luke Charteris, Bradley Davies, Alun Wyn Jones, Taulupe Faletau, James King, Dan Lydiate, Ross Moriarty, Josh Turnbull, Sam Warburton (captain). 
Backs: Gareth Davies, Rhys Webb, Lloyd Williams, Gareth Anscombe, Dan Biggar, Rhys Priestland, Jonathan Davies, Tyler Morgan, Jamie Roberts, Scott Williams, Hallam Amos, Matthew Morgan, Tom James, George North, Eli Walker, Liam Williams 
From Stuff <a class="bbc_url" href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/79847332/no-new-caps-or-leigh-halfpenny-in-wales-tour-squad-to-new-zealand">http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/79847332/no-new-caps-or-leigh-halfpenny-in-wales-tour-squad-to-new-zealand</a>

MajorRage

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Really? Better than BBBR? And LdJ?
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In a word, yes. BBBR wasn't as good in 2015 as he was in 2014 in my opinion, and I'm not sold on LdJ.
 
AWJ was nominated for IRB POTY too.
 
Acronym Central (AC).

hydro11

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In a word, yes. BBBR wasn't as good in 2015 as he was in 2014 in my opinion, and I'm not sold on LdJ.
 
AWJ was nominated for IRB POTY too.
 
Acronym Central (AC).
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Sam Whitelock was better than both in 2015, IMO.

MajorRage

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Sam Whitelock was better than both in 2015, IMO.
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I really doubt that you'll find anybody who lives above the equator who agrees with you. AWJ was absolutely immense last year.

MN5

That Welsh midfield is pretty seasoned and experienced. They might look to target the ABs relative lack of miles on the clock in that department.

hydro11

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I really doubt that you'll find anybody who lives above the equator who agrees with you. AWJ was absolutely immense last year.
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By both I meant Retallick and LdJ. Can't remember anything much about AWJ last year.

No Quarter

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That Welsh midfield is pretty seasoned and experienced. They might look to target the ABs relative lack of miles on the clock in that department.
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That's why I would like Fekitoa there. He just smashes people on defense, always has.

Billy Tell

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I really doubt that you'll find anybody who lives above the equator who agrees with you. AWJ was absolutely immense last year.
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Unfortunately for you that was last year (he did have a very good 2015, I agree). In 2016 (at least in the 6N) he was quiet - Kruis & Itoje were better.
 
AWJ is a very good lock though, but I would not have him in the AB team ahead of our current locks: I thought our 2 main locks were unsung heroes at the RWC, especially Whitelock (Retallick was more of a sung hero...).

Nepia

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Unfortunately for you that was last year (he did have a very good 2015, I agree). In 2016 (at least in the 6N) he was quiet - Kruis & Itoje were better.
 
AWJ is a very good lock though, but I would not have him in the AB team ahead of our current locks: I thought our 2 main locks were unsung heroes at the RWC, especially Whitelock (Retallick was more of a sung hero...).
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This is becoming a Fern myth, Whitelock is hardly unsung. :)

Bones

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="578766" data-time="1462942382">This is becoming a Fern myth, Whitelock is hardly unsung. :)</blockquote>
Oh he plays for the Crusaders eh? 
He is often immense and doesn't get close to the love Retallick or Kaino get.

pooler fan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="578751" data-time="1462939309">Unfortunately for you that was last year (he did have a very good 2015, I agree). In 2016 (at least in the 6N) he was quiet - Kruis & Itoje were better. 
AWJ is a very good lock though, but I would not have him in the AB team ahead of our current locks: I thought our 2 main locks were unsung heroes at the RWC, especially Whitelock (Retallick was more of a sung hero...).</blockquote>
He was carrying a heel injury for the entire 6 Nations this season & shouldn't have been selected. He still performed well but not to the heights of 2015 I'd agree. 
There was a bit of fuss about this at the time with the Ospreys not particularly happy he'd been playing with an injury. He's not played since the tournament due to it. 
Gats does like to "flog" his favored players.

Bovidae

The interesting thing about a 3 test series is that it allows the coaches to give more players opportunities. I'm sure Hansen will rotate a few players in and out of the starting XV. For example, Cruden and Sopoaga might get at least one start each. Gatland is going to have to play half of his test 23 vs the Chiefs, which makes selection a little more tricky.

Crucial

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="578694" data-time="1462929905">
That Welsh midfield is pretty seasoned and experienced. They might look to target the ABs relative lack of miles on the clock in that department.</blockquote>except that when Wales make a linebreak they get sudden onset agrophobia and don't know what to do. They look more comfortable running into people and falling over.

TeWaio

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I really doubt that you'll find anybody who lives above the equator who agrees with you. AWJ was absolutely immense last year.
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I live above the equator and agree with him :i_am_so_happy:

Catogrande

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except that when Wales make a linebreak they get sudden onset agrophobia and don't know what to do. They look more comfortable running into people and falling over.
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They seemed pretty OK in the wide open spaces against England in RWC.
 
The bastards.

Provincial Stalwart

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This is becoming a Fern myth, Whitelock is hardly unsung. :)
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Oh he plays for the Crusaders eh? 
He is often immense and doesn't get close to the love Retallick or Kaino get.
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Yeah, people on here simply refused to praise him for that lineout steal against the Boks in the RWC semi.
 
Whitelock is often immense, it just seems that Retallick has that little bit more to his game (or is it because he features more in the loose?). They are far and away the best pairing in the game, and might be #1 and #2 in the world as individual locks.
 
AWJ is really good, but so was Kane Douglas in 2015.

Siam

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Yeah, people on here simply refused to praise him for that lineout steal against the Boks in the RWC semi.
 
 
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I had to pause for a moment and remember the sheer relief and elation that moment gave at the time. Talk about crucial moments
 
Thanks for the reminder PS :)

mariner4life

Billy Tell

The moneyshot of the ABs RWC 2015 campaign right there. It's not hard to imagine SA winning that lineout and forcing a maul penalty...final score RSA 21 NZ 20 :(

Crucial

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They seemed pretty OK in the wide open spaces against England in RWC.
 
The bastards.
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I don't mean the wide open spaces of penalty kicks from between the 22's.
 
I had to go and watch a highlights package in case I missed something. Wales made one good midfield break and the carrier died with the ball as he had no decent support. A try came from a centring kick from the sideline after getting around the outside.
 
Whenever I have seen Wales manipulate a break it's like everyone freezes for a split second trying to work out what to do next. The instincts just aren't there.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wales