All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
Definitely missed Whitelock, and I think we'd like to have Dalton Papalii there. He seems built for games like this one.
I'm a bit half/half on Sam Cane. We miss his tackling, but not his overall work as a 7. Play him at 6.I think we have to get used to missing the likes of Whitelock and Cane. Those guys are approaching the end of their careers and we need to hurry up and find some depth in these areas. Even with Nugget, hopefully we will get another 30-40 tests out of him but def need more depth at halfback
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse True, and it's because we are sticking to the conventional method of having the 10 kick it out. BB doesn't have the biggest punt and neither does Richie. Why not utilise Havili's boot or Jordie's?
Even Reece kicked it further.
I recall reading during the week about how Beaudy was third on the points list behind Dan and Merhts , likely to stay that way because he seems to have lost the goal kicking duties anyway
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
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@damo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think missing Aaron Smith is a bigger loss than some realize. We need his crisp accurate pass and decisiveness.
I'm not sure. I thought Weber played well. Problem was he wasn't getting much protection from his forwards.
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Who was calling the lineouts? Whomever had a shit game.
Looked like Boks almost knew our calls
Nope. They just mark up on your second rowers at 4-6+ and let you have front ball to let the pod at the front stop your maul. They did it against us as well. Later in the game they'd swap Etzebeth to the front to disrupt your 2 ball when it was obviously the go-to.
What the fucking hell was happening with Kitshoff won the ball at the front, i don't know. Terrible execution.
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Shit tactics. Didn't adjust to their ruck tactics.
Very poor captain selection.
No real game plan worse than last week,we learnt nothing.
I blame TJP and Mo'unga at the end. Pick and goes are always 50/50.
Mo'unga really struggles against teams like the Boks and England who are super physical on defense. He got smashed when he came on and hardly featured after that.
I thought Beauden (cross kick in the 2nd half aside) showed why he is our best 10 tonight. Mounga always struggles when his pack is getting beaten. Beauden did good stuff in-spite of a struggling pack.
BB looks so good when he is running at gaps. RM challenges the line more. But both need their forwards to give them time with quick go forward ball. I think RM is much better kicker. Really clear that we lost that match in the 1st 25 mins of second half.
NB: that cross kick 2nd half was so wrong - wrong decision, bad execution ( luckily or we risked giving away 7 )
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
We lost the game as soon as we started talking about Grand Slams
Any links? First I’ve heard that.
The loss we had to have 😉
No just a gut feel, gave the boks the added incentive to kick our butts because it smacked a bit of arrogance
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
Watched an old game a while back and the ABs had Dagg kicking long, as well as Carter. Hit home how poor we are in that department now.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
Watched an old game a while back and the ABs had Dagg kicking long, as well as Carter. Hit home how poor we are in that department now.
Dagg's boot was exceptional. Just booming punts from teh back
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta the Springbokke missed two key players in Kolbey and PSdT.
Also a factor BUT I think Smith is far more important to the ABs than either of those players to the Boks.
If you pick PSdT you might be tempted to leave out Kwagga, and I think he was just too important in the balance of that particular back row.
I don't think the attacking opportunities were there against the ABs for Kolbe any more than Mapimpi or Nkosi. Personally think Cheslin would have been more dangerous against the Wallabies - his defense would surely be better than Mapimpi who completely failed to cover Andrew Kellaway in Wallabies v Boks Test 1, and had a number of poor reads when the ball got a bit of work on it. Against the ABs' lack of creativity tho Mapimpi was fine.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mikethesnow France? They have the forwards to lay a platform and the 9/10 axis to ignite the backline. I'd say France have more upside than England right now. Eddie's team will be v raw in Nov.
France are playing Argentina, Georgia and NZ this Autumn.
England play Tonga, Australia and SA
If England beat both Australia and SA then they jump ahead of France in my books
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
When you've got a cannon boot like Jordie in your team, it's complete madness for his brother to be using his pop-gun boot to clear us out of our own 22
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
We lost the game as soon as we started talking about Grand Slams
Any links? First I’ve heard that.
The loss we had to have 😉
No just a gut feel, gave the boks the added incentive to kick our butts because it smacked a bit of srrogance
Just seemed quite strange that the words Grand Slam would even be mentioned given the ABs aren’t playing England and Scotland in the upcoming tour…
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
Watched an old game a while back and the ABs had Dagg kicking long, as well as Carter. Hit home how poor we are in that department now.
Perhaps the time has come to (finally) get Marty Banks into the ABs, got a very good boot that boy 😀
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@canefan someone, maybe here, suggested it could be with his calf problem but I think I read somewhere he said it was now fine? Something puzzling, anyway. I don't understand why BB's kicking doesn't improve with age and experience.
