All Blacks vs Fiji 2
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@mrdenmore said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
A lot of you blokes will be too young to remember Grant Batty streaming down the right wing, but he is (according to his Wikipedia page) about 1.65m (5 foot 1) and (was) 65 kgs (just over 10 stone). He makes me (170cm and 70 kgs) look like Brodie Rettalick.
That was when the largest winger was 85kg, not 100kg.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
yep I not sure I agree Shannon has been that bad anyway, he is actually generally a more physical type 6 than Akira.
You watch rugby?
Yep usually watch 32-3 games live on Saturday, and everything on TV. I repeat Frizell is generally more physical than Akira, because he does a shit load more work in rucks and mauls where most physical rugby is.
Yep, he's always 'there', as to how much physical impact he is actually having, not so sure.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Often doesn't work out playing against opposite numbers, but...
Sevu Reece: 179/98 v Setariki Tuicuvu: 179/94
Damn similarWill Jordan: 188/94 v Nemani Nadolo: 195/137
Ouch!DMac: 176/81 v Kini Murimurivalu: 184/101
More ouch!I would be absolutely amazed to stand next to Reece and have him only an inch shorter than me. I don't buy it...
He does have a fucken gigantic cranium, your shoulders are possibly six inches higher than his though.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Like the look of team. Understand no Blackadder really, he went well last week, but happy to see Jacobson cover 7. Can even understand Barrett at lock, think they probably feel we need to shift bodies at ruck time, and BR can keep working on getting back up to where he needs to be, give Akira another chance to show what he can do or maybe depart, and I thought Frizell went better than many gave him credit for last week, so happy with him on bench.
Only thing is I hope they put on good performance so we (or I) have to admit we don't know as much as we think!
I think Shannon gets a rougher ride on here than he's merited - but, I think the backrow would be more balanced if Blackadder was on the bench. As Bovidae points out - Frizell is probably a better option to sub on, but less versatile in case of injury.
Getting close to the best team we could field on Saturday (though if we were playing Australia, I reckon we'd find the much maligned Bridge on the wing).
It's a bit concerning to look through the starting XV and only find half a dozen players that are genuinely world class (would start for most test teams) - the others are either not or yet to prove it. Go back not many years and I reckon we would have had a dozen or more.
I think the post you quoted kind of highlights why Shannon gets a rougher ride on here. @Dan54 is suggesting Akira gets another chance or he maybe depart. Shannon has had multiple starts yet Akira has had two and he's apparently on his last chance.
I think even the diehardest of Ta$man fans, you and your boy TJ, can admit that Shannon hasn't set the world on fire at test level, and certainly not up to his Super standard.
yep I not sure I agree Shannon has been that bad anyway, he is actually generally a more physical type 6 than Akira. Many I reckon don't take a lot of notice how much work some of them do, almost like the ones who get into cane as 7, clearly thye best type of player for test rugby?
He plays a more "physical" style - just without being physical
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Having just caught up, a few comments:
Midfield: Rieko made two forward passes in one passage of play last week. He can run, but he's not a centre's arsehole yet. Goodhue was a very good centre, and the coaches fucked him by moving him. ALB has been patchy as fuck all season, made some awful defensive reads. Tupaea looks good, so did Nankivell for the Maori. Havili too much of a utility still for me.
Outside backs: DMac is the best at the 2nd playmaker from fullback role. It's not really Jordie's game, very different strengths. Jordan neither, though unlike Jordie he can play wing. So if that's the game plan, then that's the selection I reckon. Beauden vs Richie for 10 vs bench.
Loosies: They should have picked Boshier, and probably the big ginger too I reckon. Boshier in that shield game against the cantabs was quite phenomenal. Sotutu has gone right off the boil unfortunately, but is young and will come back later. Blues came right when Robinson started starting: workrate. Frizz gets a lot of criticism on here, but really he was just picked way too early for the ABs, he wasn't even a starting highlander at that point - and so you get all this 'how many chances' stuff. His super rugby form now deserves AB squad selection at least - he and smith really carried that team last couple of seasons. -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dice said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Sevu Reece
He must have a heavy neck..
You would too if you were lugging round Easter island like he is.
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
yep I not sure I agree Shannon has been that bad anyway, he is actually generally a more physical type 6 than Akira.
You watch rugby?
Clearly not test rugby......
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
yep I not sure I agree Shannon has been that bad anyway, he is actually generally a more physical type 6 than Akira.
You watch rugby?
Clearly not test rugby......
To be fair, I did a few re-watches on Frizell when he was first picked, and he was certainly a harder worker than Fifita. The problem is that Akira is not Fifita - he’s also involved with shit jobs and can be a game changer with defense (maul stops) or on attack (offloads, passing, metres).
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Having just caught up, a few comments:
Midfield: Rieko made two forward passes in one passage of play last week. He can run, but he's not a centre's arsehole yet. Goodhue was a very good centre, and the coaches fucked him by moving him. ALB has been patchy as fuck all season, made some awful defensive reads. Tupaea looks good, so did Nankivell for the Maori. Havili too much of a utility still for me.
Outside backs: DMac is the best at the 2nd playmaker from fullback role. It's not really Jordie's game, very different strengths. Jordan neither, though unlike Jordie he can play wing. So if that's the game plan, then that's the selection I reckon. Beauden vs Richie for 10 vs bench.
Loosies: They should have picked Boshier, and probably the big ginger too I reckon. Boshier in that shield game against the cantabs was quite phenomenal. Sotutu has gone right off the boil unfortunately, but is young and will come back later. Blues came right when Robinson started starting: workrate. Frizz gets a lot of criticism on here, but really he was just picked way too early for the ABs, he wasn't even a starting highlander at that point - and so you get all this 'how many chances' stuff. His super rugby form now deserves AB squad selection at least - he and smith really carried that team last couple of seasons.Come on man, there's so much flip flop there you could be a jandal!
ALB = patchy, but Tupaea looks good?
Rieko's two forward passes make him not a centre's arsehole - is this the standard now - if our centre makes 2 mistakes, they're not a centre's arsehole?
Jordie is a playmaker for the Canes and has featured strongly in this role (especially last year).
Not the Boshier thing again. We've got Savea, Cane and Papali'i all easily better than him, why pick yet another openside (who (only has one trick that Paps does better and may not even be better than Harmon).Yeah Frizzel is a bit of a punching bag, but it'd be nice to see him really stand up and make it easier to say/see what he brings to the table.
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@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
Agree regarding move on, but fake news to claim Boshier sulked. In the Stuff article I read, he said he understood selector’s viewpoint (too small?) and had no regrets, or words to that effect.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I think Frizell on the bench is a warning to either Akira, Frizell, or both of them as it doesn't make much sense to not have Blackadder there and see what he can do off the bench as the utility loosie (especially with Paps out).
** Jordie had a relatively poor kicking performanc**e last week, and Dmac and Mo'unga played together quite well, so this is a form selection. It will be interesting to see how things go with three playmakers out there.
Quick clarification (genuine question): you mean kicking out of hand?
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I think Frizell on the bench is a warning to either Akira, Frizell, or both of them as it doesn't make much sense to not have Blackadder there and see what he can do off the bench as the utility loosie (especially with Paps out).
** Jordie had a relatively poor kicking performanc**e last week, and Dmac and Mo'unga played together quite well, so this is a form selection. It will be interesting to see how things go with three playmakers out there.
Quick clarification (genuine question): you mean kicking out of hand?
Yep.
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
Yeah as per @pakman, did he sulk? Think he's just chased the bucks, which most players in his situation would!
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
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@mrdenmore said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
A lot of you blokes will be too young to remember Grant Batty streaming down the right wing, but he is (according to his Wikipedia page) about 1.65m (5 foot 1) and (was) 65 kgs (just over 10 stone). He makes me (170cm and 70 kgs) look like Brodie Rettalick.
But his opponents were 12 stone themselves
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
How does he fit into the box then
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
KFC! Donuts! Ice cream! Hur Hur Hur
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I wonder the chances we will see a 6-2 bench at some point? Tony Brown is a big proponent but not many other Kiwi coaches apparently.
We have a plethora of loose forward talent and adding an additional loosie to the bench would certainly help contribute to the general forward effort which most would agree is lacking. Also we have plenty of utility in our backs to cover it.
Also potentially, Ardie at 12 👀👀
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
they would stop swapping around so much though, let the guys settle into a position
That’s modern day rugby though and having big squads. Everyone “needs” game time or else the questions are “why are they there”
It’s all about “seeing what they offer and where they are at”.
I’m not necessarily a fan but it seems to be the reality.
