All Blacks MOTM v Tonga
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@victor-meldrew he's only 24, might have been a bit early to write him off a couple of years ago after only a season or two in the jersey!
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@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
4 of Jordan’s 5 could have been strolled in by anyone (well nearly anyone)
I still can’t make out if this guy scores easily or is the luckiest rugby player ever.He’s one of those “lucky” players, makes it look easy. Reminds me of Cullen.
Another player Will Jordan reminds me of is Doug Howlett. Serious gas and very good at the timing his runs to be in the right place and the right time. A poacher's instinct for the try line. Pace and a good rugby brain. Obvious choice for AB Right Wing for the next few seasons. Will Jordan will score a hatful of tries in international Rugby.
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@bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@victor-meldrew he's only 24, might have been a bit early to write him off a couple of years ago after only a season or two in the jersey!
Def not writing him off! Just pointing out that he's fought thru a rough patch which I think is great.
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@sparky said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
very good at the timing his runs to be in the right place and the right time
Yep. A good player makes his own luck. Footballer Gary Lineker was one of the best strikers England has ever produced but was criticised for "only scoring easy goals".
I remember the German manager commenting that it was amazing how many times Lineker found himself relatively unmarked in the box and wished his players worked as hard to be so lucky...
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Bridge played well on debut against Japan in 2018 in a BaaBaas style match that was incredibly open (Japan scored a bunch of tries as well). Since then the AB coaches just seemed to fall in love with him, despite never stepping up against any of the top teams. I have memories of him being put in space and doing less than nothing with it, when in a tight test it's crucial that your outsides can make the most of any chances to score. Just really frustrating to watch.
The "hate" for Bridge isn't against him as a person, it's frustration that he continues to be selected above players that offer FAR more on the wing than him. It's difficult to score tries when your wing brings zero attacking threat, exactly the same reason people despised having Jordie on the wing as well. Not particularly quick, no step to speak of, just really offers nothing in that position at the top level.
It was a shame Rieko was affected by injury when the 2019 WC came around, and we didn't have many other options there as the AB selectors just forged ahead with Bridge against all logic and reason. It was one of many black marks against their selections and tactics leading into and during that WC.
And then we had Clarke in absolutely irresistible form after the RWC, but Bridge continued to get selected ahead of him until injury forced the ABs to pick him, and we immediately saw the benefits of having a winger that offers threat with ball in hand out there again. It's just braindead selections and tactics from the AB coaches - most of our ire should be directed at them rather than players like Bridge or Jordie who they keep chucking on the wing when it's clear they don't belong there.
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@nepia it’s the way he carries on after he scores a try or the way he gets up in other players faces when they’ve done something he doesn’t like. He’s one of those guys that thinks he’s better than he actually is aswell IMO.
He might be a great bloke off the field but he can come across as a right twat on the field at times.
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@bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@booboo hater
I was going to say I prefer the term tosser with reference to another thread ... But this one is in the gutter already.
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@booboo well as has been mentioned elsewhere this place has gotten pretty feral of late for whatever reason.
Bitching about players, refs, comms, selectors, judiciary, anything and everything.
Sure this is the place for it but man some do go over the top, I know some is in jest but that doesn't translate well..
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@canes4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia it’s the way he carries on after he scores a try or the way he gets up in other players faces when they’ve done something he doesn’t like. He’s one of those guys that thinks he’s better than he actually is aswell IMO.
He might be a great bloke off the field but he can come across as a right twat on the field at times.
If you re-read my original post I said this: I don't find him any different to most players.
This was my main point. Lots of our players come across as right twats on the field yet they don't attract the same scorn.
Also, how may of these moments did he have last night? I don't remember him carry on when he scored his try.
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@nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@canes4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia it’s the way he carries on after he scores a try or the way he gets up in other players faces when they’ve done something he doesn’t like. He’s one of those guys that thinks he’s better than he actually is aswell IMO.
He might be a great bloke off the field but he can come across as a right twat on the field at times.
If you re-read my original post I said this: I don't find him any different to most players.
This was my main point. Lots of our players come across as right twats on the field yet they don't attract the same scorn.
Also, how may of these moments did he have last night? I don't remember him carry on when he scored his try.
The Ioanes and Coles seem the main ones to me and they get a bit of grief for being dicks.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@canes4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia it’s the way he carries on after he scores a try or the way he gets up in other players faces when they’ve done something he doesn’t like. He’s one of those guys that thinks he’s better than he actually is aswell IMO.
He might be a great bloke off the field but he can come across as a right twat on the field at times.
If you re-read my original post I said this: I don't find him any different to most players.
This was my main point. Lots of our players come across as right twats on the field yet they don't attract the same scorn.
Also, how may of these moments did he have last night? I don't remember him carry on when he scored his try.
The Ioanes and Coles seem the main ones to me and they get a bit of grief for being dicks.
And yet the head rubber in chief Brodie never has a criticism. So some players do get a free pass.
IMO a lot of the criticism the Ioanes get is projection. As was mocked here previously, they make mean faces that upset man babies.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@mn5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@canes4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia it’s the way he carries on after he scores a try or the way he gets up in other players faces when they’ve done something he doesn’t like. He’s one of those guys that thinks he’s better than he actually is aswell IMO.
He might be a great bloke off the field but he can come across as a right twat on the field at times.
If you re-read my original post I said this: I don't find him any different to most players.
This was my main point. Lots of our players come across as right twats on the field yet they don't attract the same scorn.
Also, how may of these moments did he have last night? I don't remember him carry on when he scored his try.
The Ioanes and Coles seem the main ones to me and they get a bit of grief for being dicks.
And yet the head rubber in chief Brodie never has a criticism. So some players do get a free pass.
IMO a lot of the criticism the Ioanes get is projection. As was mocked here previously, they make mean faces that upset man babies.
Yeah Brodies one from my list, even Whitelock will engage in it. Taylor has been almost thuggish in the past couple of years. (All players who I would select without a second thought).
Scott Barrett probably has more cards than both Ioanes combined but I guess he doesn't celebrate with too much vigour after scoring a try?
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@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
4 of Jordan’s 5 could have been strolled in by anyone (well nearly anyone)
I still can’t make out if this guy scores easily or is the luckiest rugby player ever.Yeah. I think the same. Can't tell what he'd be like if we were really under the pump. I do know he's got a super slick running style and a super slick haircut.
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@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
4 of Jordan’s 5 could have been strolled in by anyone (well nearly anyone)
I still can’t make out if this guy scores easily or is the luckiest rugby player ever.He’s one of those “lucky” players, makes it look easy. Reminds me of Cullen.
Nah Cully would step, swerve, push, go around and through to score. I swear that most of Jordan’s tries are jog ins.
That’s a skill in itself and it’s his job. He’s obviously got skill and acceleration to. There’s just something that makes me feel he rides a lot of coat tails and lucky breaks.Cully scored plenty of tries being on the end of very good moves where he just dotted down.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
4 of Jordan’s 5 could have been strolled in by anyone (well nearly anyone)
I still can’t make out if this guy scores easily or is the luckiest rugby player ever.He’s one of those “lucky” players, makes it look easy. Reminds me of Cullen.
Nah Cully would step, swerve, push, go around and through to score. I swear that most of Jordan’s tries are jog ins.
That’s a skill in itself and it’s his job. He’s obviously got skill and acceleration to. There’s just something that makes me feel he rides a lot of coat tails and lucky breaks.Cully scored plenty of tries being on the end of very good moves where he just dotted down.
Of course he did. All outsides backs do, that's their job.
I also saw him manufacture plenty of tries as well.
It's a bit like the reaction fuelled by the Cantab fanboy commentators last night. Media gushing over someone scoring end of chain tries created by his team mates.
Maybe when his body of work is bigger it will be fairer to judge. I was just conveying how it looks to me at the moment. -
@nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@mn5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@canes4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@nepia it’s the way he carries on after he scores a try or the way he gets up in other players faces when they’ve done something he doesn’t like. He’s one of those guys that thinks he’s better than he actually is aswell IMO.
He might be a great bloke off the field but he can come across as a right twat on the field at times.
If you re-read my original post I said this: I don't find him any different to most players.
This was my main point. Lots of our players come across as right twats on the field yet they don't attract the same scorn.
Also, how may of these moments did he have last night? I don't remember him carry on when he scored his try.
The Ioanes and Coles seem the main ones to me and they get a bit of grief for being dicks.
And yet the head rubber in chief Brodie never has a criticism. So some players do get a free pass.
IMO a lot of the criticism the Ioanes get is projection. As was mocked here previously, they make mean faces that upset man babies.
Yeah Brodies one from my list, even Whitelock will engage in it. Taylor has been almost thuggish in the past couple of years. (All players who I would select without a second thought).
Scott Barrett probably has more cards than both Ioanes combined but I guess he doesn't celebrate with too much vigour after scoring a try?
Or drop the ball while in the process of scoring.
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@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
4 of Jordan’s 5 could have been strolled in by anyone (well nearly anyone)
I still can’t make out if this guy scores easily or is the luckiest rugby player ever.He’s one of those “lucky” players, makes it look easy. Reminds me of Cullen.
Nah Cully would step, swerve, push, go around and through to score. I swear that most of Jordan’s tries are jog ins.
That’s a skill in itself and it’s his job. He’s obviously got skill and acceleration to. There’s just something that makes me feel he rides a lot of coat tails and lucky breaks.Cully scored plenty of tries being on the end of very good moves where he just dotted down.
Of course he did. All outsides backs do, that's their job.
I also saw him manufacture plenty of tries as well.
It's a bit like the reaction fuelled by the Cantab fanboy commentators last night. Media gushing over someone scoring end of chain tries created by his team mates.
Maybe when his body of work is bigger it will be fairer to judge. I was just conveying how it looks to me at the moment.I’m not a fan of the sports media at the best of times, but what else do they have to get excited about now? We are playing second tier competition that don’t have all their players. We’ve seen NZ super rugby sides play each other a thousand times in the past two years, what is there? They know there is concerns with fluctuating viewer numbers and with nothing different on the horizon they feel they have to do their part to keep some interest.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
@crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Tonga:
4 of Jordan’s 5 could have been strolled in by anyone (well nearly anyone)
I still can’t make out if this guy scores easily or is the luckiest rugby player ever.He’s one of those “lucky” players, makes it look easy. Reminds me of Cullen.
Nah Cully would step, swerve, push, go around and through to score. I swear that most of Jordan’s tries are jog ins.
That’s a skill in itself and it’s his job. He’s obviously got skill and acceleration to. There’s just something that makes me feel he rides a lot of coat tails and lucky breaks.Cully scored plenty of tries being on the end of very good moves where he just dotted down.
Of course he did. All outsides backs do, that's their job.
I also saw him manufacture plenty of tries as well.
It's a bit like the reaction fuelled by the Cantab fanboy commentators last night. Media gushing over someone scoring end of chain tries created by his team mates.
Maybe when his body of work is bigger it will be fairer to judge. I was just conveying how it looks to me at the moment.I’m not a fan of the sports media at the best of times, but what else do they have to get excited about now? We are playing second tier competition that don’t have all their players. We’ve seen NZ super rugby sides play each other a thousand times in the past two years, what is there? They know there is concerns with fluctuating viewer numbers and with nothing different on the horizon they feel they have to do their part to keep some interest.
Listening to those two wanking furiously over players from their supported teams (only) hardly makes for better watching. It is embarrassing and cringeworthy.
