Who is to blame?
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I blame all of the above.
More than that, we seemed to have no clue on attack, and very little structure in defence.
It concerns me greatly that we had no plan to combat / stem the Aus attack. Whilst Cane had been outstanding the previous weeks, I thought last night he was guilty of allowing his team to be drawn into an ugly bare-knuckled brawl with very little skill or intelligence on display. In short, the ABs went down a couple of skill levels and creativity last night, and for a large part of that second half allowed themselves to be dominated and went back into their shells remininscemt of the 2019 WC semi against England.
No, I don't like it when the ABs lose.
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Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.
The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked.Should have subbed off Reece and left Akira on, we needed an 8 man scrum. Reece was ineffective and Akira was one of our best. We beat the Aussies up front we should have kept it this way.
TJP needs to stop reffing the game and just do his job, too slow reminds me of Ruru. When we had the ball in hand and built around multiple phases we were awesome, our first try was brilliant.
We were relying too much on a counter attack kick chase, which the Aussies had clearly game planned for. BB did not change the game plan when it was not working, which is something the Crusaders do very well.
I would have subbed Webber in at the 50 minute mark. Giving him 4 minutes was a shit call.
The Team looked out of synch from the get go.
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@Bones said in Who is to blame?:
@booboo said in Who is to blame?:
@Bones wait. What? Ploise exploin?
You were there.
First ever loss attended.
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@number9 said in Who is to blame?:
Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.
Yeah Australia were much better prepared as a result of travelling to the ground on the same day...oh wait.
The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked
Yeah Australia were much less fucked up as a result of having a different ref...oh wait. The ref was fine, quit whining.
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Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.
AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.
Cane for not taking the three just before half time
Barrett for being a big dumb bastard
Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous
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@Bones said in Who is to blame?:
@number9 said in Who is to blame?:
Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.Yeah Australia were much better prepared as a result of travelling to the ground on the same day...oh wait.
The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked
Yeah Australia were much less fucked up as a result of having a different ref...oh wait. The ref was fine, quit whining.
@Bones he’s saying that Australia clearly travelled in a more ‘regularly patterned’ way to the same ground at the same time. No wonder they won.
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@dogmeat said in Who is to blame?:
Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.
AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.
Cane for not taking the three just before half time
Barrett for being a big dumb bastard
Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous
Have to disagree with this. We had them under pressure and have shown throughout the series that we have an effective maul which they had problems defending so I can understand what Cane was thinking. Ultimately it came down to TJP taking the wrong option twice, if he didn't it would have been almost a certain 5 pointer on both occasions.
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@akan004 said in Who is to blame?:
@dogmeat said in Who is to blame?:
Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.
AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.
Cane for not taking the three just before half time
Barrett for being a big dumb bastard
Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous
Have to disagree with this. We had them under pressure and have shown throughout the series that we have an effective maul which they had problems defending so I can understand what Cane was thinking. Ultimately it came down to TJP taking the wrong option twice, if he didn't it would have been almost a certain 5 pointer on both occasions.
At the last we should have taken the three on the last penalty we got at halftime, we'd already tried twice and not been able to get over the line.
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@Nepia said in Who is to blame?:
@akan004 said in Who is to blame?:
@dogmeat said in Who is to blame?:
Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.
AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.
Cane for not taking the three just before half time
Barrett for being a big dumb bastard
Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous
Have to disagree with this. We had them under pressure and have shown throughout the series that we have an effective maul which they had problems defending so I can understand what Cane was thinking. Ultimately it came down to TJP taking the wrong option twice, if he didn't it would have been almost a certain 5 pointer on both occasions.
At the last we should have taken the three on the last penalty we got at halftime, we'd already tried twice and not been able to get over the line.
They were down to 13 at that point and our mauls failed only because the Aussies drove early on both occasions. Pretty lucky not to get a yellow for that imo. This wouldn't be a discussion point if TJP didn't fuck up though, we would be praising Cane for going for the try.
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@NTA said in Who is to blame?:
@mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:
Okay I've just watched skinny Ioane carry on after a try, and he's heading for the top of the list.
And he did his stupid put-down again. Did he have a bad experience actually touching the ground as a kid?
If he bombs another try because he drops it in this fashion, does he get dropped for good?
His carry on was enough to make even Jeff Wilson blush.
Cullen just gave a bit of a wink after beating seven Scots defenders back in 96.
But I guess it was only Scotland
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@Bones said in Who is to blame?:
@number9 said in Who is to blame?:
Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.Yeah Australia were much better prepared as a result of travelling to the ground on the same day...oh wait.
The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked
Yeah Australia were much less fucked up as a result of having a different ref...oh wait. The ref was fine, quit whining.
In terms of cards we came out better off. Reece committed an obvious professional foul on our 22 in the first half, just flopping on the ball and hanging onto it to stop them clearing. Similar to Koroibete but probably worse and got away with just a penalty.
I said before I'm not a fan of the card happy refs but it didn't end up benefiting Aus.
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@No-Quarter said in Who is to blame?:
In terms of cards we came out better off. Reece committed an obvious professional foul on our 22 in the first half, just flopping on the ball and hanging onto it to stop them clearing. Similar to Koroibete but probably worse and got away with just a penalty.
I said before I'm not a fan of the card happy refs but it didn't end up benefiting Aus.
The red card situation definitely favoured Australia. They only lost Swinton but the ABs lost Ofa and Akira. The consequence of that was that Lomax played much more minutes than he was expected to, and faded in the 2nd half, and it removed one of the better performing players through no fault of his own. Losing a front rower to a red card early in a game is always a double whammy.
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Overall I think we are still very vulnerable and we don't react particularly well when things aren't going our way. I think teams will back themselves to play basic, aggressive rugby and wait for us to start making mistakes as we push more and more risky plays to try and break the game open. We don't have a really clear gameplan and we are very reliant on people like Beauden to pull some magic out of their ass, and when it doesn't work they start making mistakes that are costly.
So I blame Foster and those that decided we should go with 'continuity' when that meant continuing on with the weaknesses that got exposed at the RWC.
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@Bovidae said in Who is to blame?:
@No-Quarter said in Who is to blame?:
In terms of cards we came out better off. Reece committed an obvious professional foul on our 22 in the first half, just flopping on the ball and hanging onto it to stop them clearing. Similar to Koroibete but probably worse and got away with just a penalty.
I said before I'm not a fan of the card happy refs but it didn't end up benefiting Aus.
The red card situation definitely favoured Australia. They only lost Swinton but the ABs lost Ofa and Akira. The consequence of that was that Lomax played much more minutes than he was expected to, and faded in the 2nd half, and it removed one of the better performing players through no fault of his own. Losing a front rower to a red card early in a game is always a double whammy.
That's a fair point. Though we didn't have to lose Akira. We just went with the cookie cutter "sub off your 6 if you lose a front rower" despite Akira being one of our most effective players on the park.
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@No-Quarter said in Who is to blame?:
@Bovidae said in Who is to blame?:
@No-Quarter said in Who is to blame?:
In terms of cards we came out better off. Reece committed an obvious professional foul on our 22 in the first half, just flopping on the ball and hanging onto it to stop them clearing. Similar to Koroibete but probably worse and got away with just a penalty.
I said before I'm not a fan of the card happy refs but it didn't end up benefiting Aus.
The red card situation definitely favoured Australia. They only lost Swinton but the ABs lost Ofa and Akira. The consequence of that was that Lomax played much more minutes than he was expected to, and faded in the 2nd half, and it removed one of the better performing players through no fault of his own. Losing a front rower to a red card early in a game is always a double whammy.
That's a fair point. Though we didn't have to lose Akira. We just went with the cookie cutter "sub off your 6 if you lose a front rower" despite Akira being one of our most effective players on the park.
Couldn't they just swap the prop in for scrums? Or is that only in the case of injuries?
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@No-Quarter said in Who is to blame?:
Overall I think we are still very vulnerable and we don't react particularly well when things aren't going our way. I think teams will back themselves to play basic, aggressive rugby and wait for us to start making mistakes
That is hard to do well for 80 minutes though. Accurate rush defences are bloody hard to break down, but hard to get right. I hope someone will find a way of unlocking them, and it'll be attack happy again, with good rugby being rewarded.
I still think it's Lions 1 - slashing diagonal runs near the base of the breakdown that'll get them. Have supporters, just make the defence go up and back, upd and back
