North and South divisions in the NPC?
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@Donsteppa said in Hawke's Bay v Wellington:
@Steven-Harris said in Hawke's Bay v Wellington:
Next weeks last round going to be very interesting
I reckon
Wellington will beat Manawatu
Canterbury will beat Auckland ( only basing that on Aucklands Injury toll, I think Canterbury will treat that game like a final )
And it will come down to who ever loses the Bop v Harbour game ..
Thoughts people ..?Yep, looks like win v Harbour and we’re in the semi finals, lose and we’re back in the Championship...
@Donsteppa There is a real possibility that the Premiership and Championship Divisions within the Mitre 10 Cup will be abolished next year and replaced by North and South Divisions as the Farah Palmer Cup was this year, with crossover round robin games and crossover playoffs.
That would mean all 14 Mitre 10 Cup provinces will be playing for just the one prize.
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@Number-10 said in Hawke's Bay v Wellington:
@Donsteppa said in Hawke's Bay v Wellington:
@Steven-Harris said in Hawke's Bay v Wellington:
Next weeks last round going to be very interesting
I reckon
Wellington will beat Manawatu
Canterbury will beat Auckland ( only basing that on Aucklands Injury toll, I think Canterbury will treat that game like a final )
And it will come down to who ever loses the Bop v Harbour game ..
Thoughts people ..?Yep, looks like win v Harbour and we’re in the semi finals, lose and we’re back in the Championship...
@Donsteppa There is a real possibility that the Premiership and Championship Divisions within the Mitre 10 Cup will be abolished next year and replaced by North and South Divisions as the Farah Palmer Cup was this year, with crossover round robin games and crossover playoffs.
That would mean all 14 Mitre 10 Cup provinces will be playing for just the one prize.
Honestly, that would be better IMO
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To be honest, I can't see why it's better - aside from saving on travel costs.
It pretty much guarantees a greater number of uncompetitive games - compared with the current merit-based divisions.
It raises the spectre of a weaker and stronger conference and easier routes to the play-offs (as per Super rugby).
And it removes the fun of promotion-relegation.
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@Chris-B Travel and accommodation costs will be significant so if NZR can save money there, I am sure they will. That was a big reason the Heartland competition was suspended this year and contributed to NZR's budget savings.
Based on the 14 teams, the North Zone would be all Blues and Chiefs provinces, and the South Zone would be Hurricanes, Crusaders and Highlanders provinces.
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hold on, if there are cross over games then will there really be huge savings? otagos only had three games out of the south island this year, are we only talking about two crossovers so you save ones games worth?
where would the north south division be? i assume it cant actually be the straight as their would only be four teams in the south
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like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
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@taniwharugby said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB ...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
I thought @Bovidae said South would Highlanders, Crusaders and Hurricanes regions, so not sure where HB and Manawatu fit in 😉
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@ACT-Crusader said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@taniwharugby said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB ...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
I thought @Bovidae said South would Highlanders, Crusaders and Hurricanes regions, so not sure where HB and Manawatu fit in 😉
We'll just play each other ensuring the Shield will stay in Hawkes Bay forever.
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i know Canterbury have been a bit rough this year but that wont last...so im not looking forward to playing
"Always up there" Canterbury
"Reigning champs" Ta$man
"Always tough (for us)" Southland -
I like the current set up. It adds a lot of interest at the bottom of the top group. Like this year. What team will drop down. Also it gives two winners. Wellington will never win the Premiership title (just too incompetently run) but down one level they can win. as they did a few years back
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@Nepia said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@ACT-Crusader said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@taniwharugby said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB ...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
I thought @Bovidae said South would Highlanders, Crusaders and Hurricanes regions, so not sure where HB and Manawatu fit in 😉
We'll just play each other ensuring the Shield will stay in Hawkes Bay forever.
So three Divisions now?
North, South and...what shall we call yours?
Cully knows....
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@Bovidae said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@Chris-B I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying NZR will be looking at their bottom line not whether every game is competitive.
Buses not planes might be their new motto.
For the game in Napier yesterday, Wellington took the bus home straight after the game, as they did not appear at the aftermatch.
I presume they also took the bus up.
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@Winger said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
Wellington will never win the Premiership title (just too incompetently run) but down one level they can win. as they did a few years back
Took the words right out of my mouth I shudder at the thought of Ta$man and Canterbury....
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IMO this makes sense in more than just dollars and cents. Border rivalries are more intense usually, especially for the smaller provinces. Plus it underlines North v South if that is something they want to push.
Though there is something to be said about the promotion/relegation battle, especially now that Canterbury are in the relegation zone.
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This articles touches on most of the points we have discussed. The cross-over games are necessary to ensure all provinces can have Ranfurly Shield challenges, even Ta$man.
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I am against anything that intensifies our season to a series of hard fought derby matches. The volume of injuries seems to be lifting as we move this way especially concussions. The media and the public might want this but do the players? I am all for bigger round robin style comps with a salary cap.
