North and South divisions in the NPC?
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@Chris-B Travel and accommodation costs will be significant so if NZR can save money there, I am sure they will. That was a big reason the Heartland competition was suspended this year and contributed to NZR's budget savings.
Based on the 14 teams, the North Zone would be all Blues and Chiefs provinces, and the South Zone would be Hurricanes, Crusaders and Highlanders provinces.
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hold on, if there are cross over games then will there really be huge savings? otagos only had three games out of the south island this year, are we only talking about two crossovers so you save ones games worth?
where would the north south division be? i assume it cant actually be the straight as their would only be four teams in the south
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like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
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@taniwharugby said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB ...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
I thought @Bovidae said South would Highlanders, Crusaders and Hurricanes regions, so not sure where HB and Manawatu fit in 😉
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@ACT-Crusader said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@taniwharugby said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB ...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
I thought @Bovidae said South would Highlanders, Crusaders and Hurricanes regions, so not sure where HB and Manawatu fit in 😉
We'll just play each other ensuring the Shield will stay in Hawkes Bay forever.
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i know Canterbury have been a bit rough this year but that wont last...so im not looking forward to playing
"Always up there" Canterbury
"Reigning champs" Ta$man
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I like the current set up. It adds a lot of interest at the bottom of the top group. Like this year. What team will drop down. Also it gives two winners. Wellington will never win the Premiership title (just too incompetently run) but down one level they can win. as they did a few years back
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@Nepia said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@ACT-Crusader said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@taniwharugby said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
like it in theory, but not sure how well it will work if it is purely about the $$$.
Given the geographic layout of our teams, the Southern division would have to be Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu & HB ...which again highlights the issues of saving money on travel when the Southern teams would surely be same sort of costs?
Northern teams, yeah I expect they could save a good wedge with Northland, NH, Auckland, Counties, Waikato, BOP & Naki!
I thought @Bovidae said South would Highlanders, Crusaders and Hurricanes regions, so not sure where HB and Manawatu fit in 😉
We'll just play each other ensuring the Shield will stay in Hawkes Bay forever.
So three Divisions now?
North, South and...what shall we call yours?
Cully knows....
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@Bovidae said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
@Chris-B I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying NZR will be looking at their bottom line not whether every game is competitive.
Buses not planes might be their new motto.
For the game in Napier yesterday, Wellington took the bus home straight after the game, as they did not appear at the aftermatch.
I presume they also took the bus up.
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@Winger said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
Wellington will never win the Premiership title (just too incompetently run) but down one level they can win. as they did a few years back
Took the words right out of my mouth I shudder at the thought of Ta$man and Canterbury....
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IMO this makes sense in more than just dollars and cents. Border rivalries are more intense usually, especially for the smaller provinces. Plus it underlines North v South if that is something they want to push.
Though there is something to be said about the promotion/relegation battle, especially now that Canterbury are in the relegation zone.
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This articles touches on most of the points we have discussed. The cross-over games are necessary to ensure all provinces can have Ranfurly Shield challenges, even Ta$man.
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I am against anything that intensifies our season to a series of hard fought derby matches. The volume of injuries seems to be lifting as we move this way especially concussions. The media and the public might want this but do the players? I am all for bigger round robin style comps with a salary cap.
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@Bovidae said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
This articles touches on most of the points we have discussed. The cross-over games are necessary to ensure all provinces can have Ranfurly Shield challenges, even Ta$man.
There's no new information or new quotes in that Stuff article.
Did they just read it on here and pad it out with previously known background info?
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@ARHS Yeah there are definitely pros and cons with this proposed format.
But if there isn't the money to fund the current 2 division format then better to have a North and South division than no meaningful NPC at all.
@Number-10 I did wonder that myself.
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The travel factor is compounded by the changes to AirNZ domestic routes. No mention in that article if teams currently do bus/air combos to keep air costs down. eg Manawatu should be on land transport to Welly for flights. Southland should be heading up to Qtown or Dunedin based on the cheapest flight options etc.
Far flung teams from the wops with little aerodromes (Hawke Bay) can be kicked out
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@Crucial said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:
The travel factor is compounded by the changes to AirNZ domestic routes.
That's what makes the Heartland comp so expensive. Teams have to bus to regional airports and take multiple flights via the main centres to get to their destination.
In the North division, only Whangarei to New Plymouth would fall outside the 6 hr bus ride limit.
