Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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Right well, congrats Aussie. When the game finished I was starting to feel happy for the Aussies, you could clearly see they were stoked, beaming smiles and Hooper pulling funny faces... then they cut to Nic White and any good sentiment disappeared.
Two things I'm at odds with most others on it seems. No complaints about the ref and Aoane wasn't all that stand out. Red cards were borderline but fair, both players put themselves in the spotlight and suffered... imagine how good Ofa's tackle would have been if he lined up below the chest (and didn't turn his head away from the collision). Aoane was good for a guy on debut but the superlatives being thrown his way seem way over the top. Absolutely gutted for him to suffer for Ofa's dumb play and certainly something to build on.
Perenara had a couple of good patches, but it's really telling that I'm recognising his good patches as the periods of play where a halfback passed fairly accurately to people. A halfback. He's been building to this performance (I still can't believe the praise he got after bled 2).
So on that, I find it really hard to fault BB (and to a lesser extent Laumape). When you're reliant on that shitshow at halfback you're never going to be on a winner.
Scott Barrett you fucken moron. What on earth makes you even think to do something so outrageously stupid?
Is there a certain number of players from each side that have to share first/last names?
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
It’s hard to compare at this stage given we are only a season after the last RWC, what we will be like in 2023.
Unless you are comparing last night to 2004 when we lost at Ellis Park and the Boks ran up what seemed like a cricket score against us?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
It’s hard to compare at this stage given we are only a season after the last RWC, what we will be like in 2023.
Unless you are comparing last night to 2004 when we lost at Ellis Park and the Boks ran up what seemed like a cricket score against us?
Nope, I've been concerned since the Lions tour to be honest. Lions 1 was dominant, but SBW had a brain fart in 2, and then we choked in a few areas in 3. Since then we struggled with the Irish in Chicago, and just didn't show up in RWC SF last year, or Bled 1, or Bled 4. It's becoming a pattern I think.
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Oh yeah and what the actual fuck. Perenara having one of the worst games an AB has played in years AND YOU FUCKEN LEAVE HIM ON THE WHOLE GAME. Were the Aussies hotboxing our coaches box?
While I'm on it, did I see Grace packing down at the last scrum? What an absolute cu nt move, sending a kid on for his debut to pack a scrum in a losing match after time is up.
Lastly, seems we overloaded on Barretts. Not enough Barrett juice to cover all 3. Looks like 2 is the limit.
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@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
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Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Oh yeah and what the actual fuck. Perenara having one of the worst games an AB has played in years AND YOU FUCKEN LEAVE HIM ON THE WHOLE GAME. Were the Aussies hotboxing our coaches box?
While I'm on it, did I see Grace packing down at the last scrum? What an absolute cu nt move, sending a kid on for his debut to pack a scrum in a losing match after time is up.
Lastly, seems we overloaded on Barretts. Not enough Barrett juice to cover all 3. Looks like 2 is the limit.
Re TJP, it really was odd that they didn't sub him. I would even have supported him being pulled and Dmac taking over at 9 😨
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Will be interesting to see what any post-match judiciary process does with the cards.
I think we'll see suspensions in the low end at worst, reduced for being good chaps of outstanding character and early guilty pleas, written apologies etc
Are suspensions mandatory for reds these days? Seems odd, would have thought missing 70 mins of a game would be sufficient punishment
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Will be interesting to see what any post-match judiciary process does with the cards.
I think we'll see suspensions in the low end at worst, reduced for being good chaps of outstanding character and early guilty pleas, written apologies etc
Are suspensions mandatory for reds these days? Seems odd, would have thought missing 70 mins of a game would be sufficient punishment
No they aren't - an appearance in front of the judiciary is tho. And your point is basically what I was trying to get at (it was 58 minutes for Ofa, 47 minutes for Swinton) in that they'll put a little black mark on their records and probably reduce it to a warning.
Neither man will want to appear again in the next year or two or the "good guy in a bad situation" defence won't cover it.
DISCLAIMER: this is the judiciary so ...
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
He needs to get those silly kicks out of his game. He tends to generally kick away too much good ball away even when he's playing at fullback.
But I am more concerned about his missed tackles. I think he missed 3 in the 2nd half last night. It's becoming a weekly occurrence now. With BB and RM on the field together, our attack improves but our defence certainly becomes weaker.
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@mofitzy_ said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bovidae
It's strange, obviously they feel 6 is the least important player on the field but this is the second time they've subbed off a 6 after a red and lost.Taking off your blindside seems to be the done thing when you lose a prop. Dunno why - but when your skipper is 7 and your 8 is one of the more effective ball runners you have (Savea was making yards in contact all night after Swinton went off).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
But the same could be said for mounga .
It’s either rm 10 bb 15 , or bb10 jb 15 ,
I think we will get complaints either way
