Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am with @mariner4life. The ABs were gifted their points in the first half and when Aussie stood up for 30 odd minutes in the second half the ABs were rubbish. The result and record score is making the performance seem better than what it actually was.
I'm on the fence here. I actually thought we played the conditions perfectly in that first half. @mariner4life makes a fair point just feeding off mistakes rather than creating anything but that's how you play in wet conditions. Compare and contrast to similar conditions in Wellington a few weeks ago. Coles' try for example was in my view one of the best tries we've scored in years in terms of the decision-making and execution - defensive pressure to force a turnover, a quick decision to move the ball away from most of their defenders, a good decision to kick with good execution, a fantastic chase to force the turnover, and then a slickly executed set piece to set up a maul to pushover for the try.
What's not to love about that? Teams like England and South Africa who everyone's jizzing over at the moment - and who would definitely beat the ABs - base their entire existence on doing shit like that.
I agree, it all kinda went to shit in the 2nd half, but again there was still some excellent wet weather play in there (Rieko's try being the prime example).
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
If I'm Dave rennie our first try is the one that pisses me off the most.
Decent but not outstanding maul, simple phase to the posts and then switch back. Same as every other team in the world does. And we have a 4 on 1 overlap? That's appalling
They were a man short down that side anyway. But, it's a move that needs to be used more in that area, because it's simple and it works.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Random thoughts in no particular order.
Frizzel got stopped a few times eh, but really happy with his game. His workrate was immense, I'd be really interested in seeing stats for carries/tackles/rucks. In saying that, be interested to see what the other options can do now and if they'll be as amazeballs as all the Frizzel knockers think they'll be.
Topped the tackle count on both stats websites.
High up for carries as well. Is there anywhere that does breakdown stats?
I just don't trust any of these stats, makes you wonder whose numbers the coaches use. For the fatties, I know they track closely dominant tackles , first 3 to breakdowns, repeat efforts, gain line breaches amongst other stuff.
Reckon they use their own
From "my mate, the coach":
"We had Opta but only for some generic stats. We had an in-house analyst who would give us more specific stats as we were after our own measures.
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@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours. -
On my rewatch I noticed Pat does a lot more work than is reported in the stats, but he does basically use his bulk as a defensive wall then turn a bit slowly. Sam W. was a titan. He will leave a big gap when he retires.
Coles was just fantastic, not just his running but his reading of the Wallabies.
Clarke draws so many Wallabies, worth a few points that.
So good to see no hesitation at the base from Smith but I noticed shocking passes from TJP, one of which was just not so obvious because ALB is so athletic-outshined Goodhue who was solid but nothing too amazing.
I really like what Sotutu offers, such a lovely distributor at 8 and always going forwards.
Yes Frizzel was working hard and quietly put the work in if no big hits but I still wonder what other options are at 6. It would be nice to have a bit of variety off the bench esp if Savea's future is uncertain.
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@Nevorian said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@rotated said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@MrDenmore said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
All Blacks seriously need some succession planning at halfback. The gap between Aaron Smith and the rest is that big.
Return to the status quo. Halfback has always been our weakest position historically.
It's been a treat having a Rolls Royce halfback for the better part of a decade after always being outmatched.
A good point. Springboks have regularly seemed to be strong at halfback. Aus also and maybe the europeans
South Africa, France and Wales seem to breed good halfbacks the way NZ breeds good 7s and 11s
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@Nevorian said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am with @mariner4life. The ABs were gifted their points in the first half and when Aussie stood up for 30 odd minutes in the second half the ABs were rubbish. The result and record score is making the performance seem better than what it actually was.
I don’t believe in the term gifted. The Wallabies are professional sportsmen and they were outmuscled and out thought in that first half and they made some poor decisions but to say gifted suggests they had given up on the game
I agree totally, all the tries were as a result of pressure and/or execution by ABs. The whole point is to force the opposition into making poor choices.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I see Daugunu conceded 5 turnovers, conceded 2 penalties, yellow card and missed a tackle. That is about as bad a game as one can have.
Massively overrated imho. We know well rugby is a whole lot more than being a damaging runner at this level. Its kind of like watching Tupou carve it up at schoolboy level and thinking he can replicate that at senior level.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Yeah Daugunu might like to have last week over again eh. Nothing better than running your mouth and completely not backing it up. Comeuppance in the dictionary.
It would appear marking Clarke is quite a different kettle of fish to Bridge.
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@pakman well that and talking up how your gonna smash someone leading up to the match and then trying to do it illegally in your first contact and proceeding to play like a chump leaves you looking pretty stupid.
He'd had a very good start to his career until he mouthed off.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman well that and talking up how your gonna smash someone leading up to the match and then trying to do it illegally in your first contact and proceeding to play like a chump leaves you looking pretty stupid.
He'd had a very good start to his career until he mouthed off.
He put unnecessary pressure on himself ,
Schoolboy level stupidity ,
im guessing their will be a muzzle on him from now
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@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
im guessing their will be a muzzle on him from now
You'd hope not at this level. People play well when they are comfortable with who they are. That said, he shouldn't need to be told twice!
Also, how well did Clarke deal with the high balls. Looked very polished under them, coudl be a real weapon.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
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@DMX said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nevorian said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am with @mariner4life. The ABs were gifted their points in the first half and when Aussie stood up for 30 odd minutes in the second half the ABs were rubbish. The result and record score is making the performance seem better than what it actually was.
I don’t believe in the term gifted. The Wallabies are professional sportsmen and they were outmuscled and out thought in that first half and they made some poor decisions but to say gifted suggests they had given up on the game
I agree totally, all the tries were as a result of pressure and/or execution by ABs. The whole point is to force the opposition into making poor choices.
I don't disagree with any of that, but to state the obvious the Aussies were very poor. I think that needs to temper our thinking a little on the AB performance.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Opta is the go to for stats, and who most rugby teams use I believe.
But can we plebs access them?
No. IIRC you pay for a subscription.
As @voodoo says, it is only part of the suite of stats an analyst will use. They (the analysts) have everything coded for easy access.
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
