Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Yeah Daugunu might like to have last week over again eh. Nothing better than running your mouth and completely not backing it up. Comeuppance in the dictionary.
It would appear marking Clarke is quite a different kettle of fish to Bridge.
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@pakman well that and talking up how your gonna smash someone leading up to the match and then trying to do it illegally in your first contact and proceeding to play like a chump leaves you looking pretty stupid.
He'd had a very good start to his career until he mouthed off.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman well that and talking up how your gonna smash someone leading up to the match and then trying to do it illegally in your first contact and proceeding to play like a chump leaves you looking pretty stupid.
He'd had a very good start to his career until he mouthed off.
He put unnecessary pressure on himself ,
Schoolboy level stupidity ,
im guessing their will be a muzzle on him from now
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@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
im guessing their will be a muzzle on him from now
You'd hope not at this level. People play well when they are comfortable with who they are. That said, he shouldn't need to be told twice!
Also, how well did Clarke deal with the high balls. Looked very polished under them, coudl be a real weapon.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
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@DMX said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nevorian said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am with @mariner4life. The ABs were gifted their points in the first half and when Aussie stood up for 30 odd minutes in the second half the ABs were rubbish. The result and record score is making the performance seem better than what it actually was.
I don’t believe in the term gifted. The Wallabies are professional sportsmen and they were outmuscled and out thought in that first half and they made some poor decisions but to say gifted suggests they had given up on the game
I agree totally, all the tries were as a result of pressure and/or execution by ABs. The whole point is to force the opposition into making poor choices.
I don't disagree with any of that, but to state the obvious the Aussies were very poor. I think that needs to temper our thinking a little on the AB performance.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Opta is the go to for stats, and who most rugby teams use I believe.
But can we plebs access them?
No. IIRC you pay for a subscription.
As @voodoo says, it is only part of the suite of stats an analyst will use. They (the analysts) have everything coded for easy access.
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
Although in a statistical analysis you wouldn’t want one event being counted twice - “lost scrum” and “penalty”.
And technically the scrum isn’t completed until the ball is cleared or when the ref says use it, so given most penalties occur when the ball hasn’t left the scrum or even fed, it makes sense from a statistical perspective not to say it is a “lost scrum”.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
Although in a statistical analysis you wouldn’t want one event being counted twice - “lost scrum” and “penalty”.
And technically the scrum isn’t completed until the ball is cleared or when the ref says use it, so given most penalties occur when the ball hasn’t left the scrum or even fed, it makes sense from a statistical perspective not to say it is a “lost scrum”.
I think I'd prefer a scrum penalty counted in 2 ways rather than ignored in the scrum stats. Whether the ball has left the 9's hand or not, if your scrum gets pumped on the shove, to me thats a loss.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
Although in a statistical analysis you wouldn’t want one event being counted twice - “lost scrum” and “penalty”.
And technically the scrum isn’t completed until the ball is cleared or when the ref says use it, so given most penalties occur when the ball hasn’t left the scrum or even fed, it makes sense from a statistical perspective not to say it is a “lost scrum”.
I think I'd prefer a scrum penalty counted in 2 ways rather than ignored in the scrum stats. Whether the ball has left the 9's hand or not, if your scrum gets pumped on the shove, to me thats a loss.
Only problem with calling it lost early is that even with a dominant shove, stuff can happen before the ball leaves the scrum, like both front rows come up and the ref calls a reset. Scrum is neither won or lost.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Man ANZ is a terrible stadium for fans.
The food is a fucking disgrace. Every single outlet sells the same shit - pies, chips, and hotdogs. You couldn't even get a pizza if you wanted, let alone some noodles or sushi or a decent burger. Imagine all the Asian cafe/restaurant owners who would love a crack at setting up in one of the kitchen to roll out awesome noodle/rice dishes at HT, could all be pre-prepared, pre-ordered, pre-paid for easy collection at HT.
At HT I queued up at one of the coffee bars for 15mins to get the kids a hot chocolate, only to be told they don't do hot chocolates. Only positive there was that I missed the Wallaby try, and if I didn't see it it didn't happen... 👊
I see the attendance was only 26k, thats pretty disappointing even given the weather.
Not much different from grounds in NZ, where the peak culinary offering is probably a Fritz's weiner
I had delicious Vietnamese a couple of years ago at Bay Oval, although it was the summer.
Knee-trembler?
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Ultimately I'd only count scrums lost where you actually complete the scrum and lose your feed - which is easy to avoid if you concede the penalty
Yeah, which means you lost the scrum I reckon. Conceding the penalty is surely worse than the opposition getting messy ball that they weren't prepared for anymore than your own defence was. It's such a rare event at top levels anyway.
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@Snowy it's messy. You could concede the penalty when the ball is under your second row and your prop loses his bind.
Remember we're dealing with refs here, and none of them have had a single clue about scrums since Wayne "Gus" Erickson (Aussie ref and ex prop) retired 😉
