'Super Rugby' 2021
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Guess it's all fucked and we should watch some loige then
jesus could you have just a bit more of a whine.
It's hardly a bullying attitude that a lot of people would prefer a comp without an ordinary, not to standard team in a timezone another 2 hours past even the East coast of Australia, that is a 6 hour flight from NZ. Especially if that team was already cut because they offered fuck all, and was only "brought back" because you had no one else to play.
It would be more than fine if this was just the problem. It's not, though. The problem is the dilution of talent across the three "traditional" Australian teams. I mean, you could actually have a really decent comp with 7-8 really strong and even teams, 1-2 toilers and then 1-2 whipping boys. I don't think anyone would care if there was guaranteed one lop-sided game a week, if the other 4 were tough and competitive affairs - it might make a nice change and make the for / against a battle within a battle.
The issue is really having 5 "middling" teams who are neither completely useless nor capable of actually winning against the best teams. At best, only 50% of your matches are competitive and the competition is basically all posturing until you get to the finals.
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@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@junior said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The issue is really having 5 "middling" teams who are neither completely useless nor capable of actually winning against the best teams
Nicely put.
the Chiefs will get better damn you!
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@mariner4life I know they are your team, but, fucking Lol even more.
The Force are unlikely to get that much better (unless RA ditch the Rebels).
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I'm not sure '5 middling sides' is a fair reflection of the situation in Aus.
The Brumbies and the Reds looked like dangerous playoff teams this year if a full Super season was played - the baby Tahs have clearly improved and whilst part of that is a factor of playing other Aus teams I think there has also been genuine improvement in the Tahs too (for example they had a garbage defence coach to the start the season who they fired during COVID break and their defensive structure has improved out of sight) and the Rebels have been competitive all year.
An argument could be made that the depth of the Aussie sides is a problem but the same argument could be made for the NZ teams to some degree - there are really key players in the NZ teams where without them there were huge holes - Mo'unga (Crusaders), Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Jordie (Canes) Faiane (Blues) Boshier (Chiefs). *Faiane is not in the same class as the other players but he was clearly missed when he didn't start.
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@KiwiMurph There are always key players, but it is a team game. Having a heap of core players,( who aren't injured obviously) and available, seems to lead to success too
Do Aus have 200 of those? 40 per squad across all positions?
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
This possible 12 team comp should be ultra competitive by the time the PI side has cannibalised the NZ SR sides and the Japanese side has picked up all the guys in the "unlucky not to get a SR contract in 2022 XV" thread.
WONDERFUL.
Yep, just like the new force are the old force minus any players good enough to get contracts elsewhere. The Sunwolves MkII will be the old Sunwolves minus all the players who were good enough to get signed by someone else.
Why the fuck do they think this is a good idea?
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
An argument could be made that the depth of the Aussie sides is a problem but the same argument could be made for the NZ teams to some degree
Hardly comparing apples with apples are we?
The hilarious aspect is @Derpus suggesting this competition structure should take a decades long view.
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@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
This possible 12 team comp should be ultra competitive by the time the PI side has cannibalised the NZ SR sides and the Japanese side has picked up all the guys in the "unlucky not to get a SR contract in 2022 XV" thread.
WONDERFUL.
Why the fuck do they think this is a good idea?
Money. It's pretty bloody obvious. The Force are a money pot, and so are the Sunwolves. What you lose on the field you make up in the coffers.
In greener times we could afford to be purists about on-field quality but now we all broke as hell.
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I like this idea, But I would like to see more teams involved as a knockout type competition and then a finals series
Club World Cup 'advances' as European rugby bosses find accord
Kiwi rugby fans have long wondered how the dominant Crusaders would go against the best clubs in Europe.
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Kiwi rugby fans have long wondered how the dominant Crusaders would go against the best clubs in Europe.The chances of the champion Crusaders and other New Zealand teams taking on the north’s top clubs have increased with European rugby bosses “advancing” plans for a Club World Cup.
European Professional Club Rugby chief executive Vincent Gaillard gave a positive outlook for the proposed tournament that would likely feature the eight quarterfinalists from Europe’s Champions Cup taking on the eight best teams from Super Rugby every four years.
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Report: CVC and Silver Lake circle touted trans- Ta$man rugby tournament
Private equity firms CVC Capital and Silver Lake are set to lock horns for a share of a new trans- Ta$man rugby union competition, according to the Australian.
Having initially been reluctant to include five Australian Super Rugby clubs in a new tournament model, New Zealand Rugby (NZR) is reportedly now ready to sign on for a 12-team competition, with Japanese and Pasifika sides also participating, which will kick off in 2022.Until then, Australia and New Zealand will reportedly continue with their domestic formats that have been used this year to minimise travel as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.
With plans for the trans- Ta$man competition now becoming clearer, both CVC and Silver Lake are reportedly eager to acquire a stake in the tournament as they continue their rugby expansion plans.
CVC has already invested heavily in England’s top-flight Premiership Rugby and the Pro14 provincial competition, while it is also in talks to acquire a stake in the Six Nations national team tournament.ver Lake, meanwhile, was reported to have held talks with NZR earlier this year over a stake in the sport in the country. That deal would provide greater financial security for NZR, although it would not equate to the selling of the All Blacks national team, or the NZR Incorporated company itself.
At the time, the New Zealand Herald reported that talks would resume with Silver Lake, and other interested parties, once NZR had a firm blueprint for a reimagined Super Rugby – which has now manifested as the trans- Ta$man competition.
The report in the Australian added that Silver Lake has ‘made it clear it wants to thwart CVC’s grand plan’ to dominate the global rugby picture, which could prompt a bidding war.
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With that 12 team proposal.
I'd have concerns that up to 4/12ths of the teams could be a fit fake.
Melbourne, Perth, Sunwolves maybe depending on Japanese makeup, and a Singapore based Asia Pacific Dragons if that ends up the Pasifika franchise. From an authenticity POV.
Plus, it's just a bit shit if the Australian talent pool is too diluted. From a quality POV.
Who would be backing the Sunwolves, anyway? Why would they, if lucrative new Top League re-jig is happening anyway.
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this is so bad
a 12 team competition most people don't want, with overseas equity firms owning part of it?
i cannot express how much i hate everything there
Also i couldn't give even a single fuck about a world club comp. This is what test rugby is for.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I don't get the angst over the Pasifika team. Isn't that what NZ really wanted?
Fuck the Sunwolves, though.
No, not really. Because the players will mainly just come from existing Super teams. Everyone gets weaker. yay!
