Worst All Black RWC exits
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@junior said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@nzzp said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@junior said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
Agreed. While I tend to disagree with the notion that 2007 was massive choke like 1999 -
We went to France mid tournament
We didn't select Doug Howlett
We were weak mentally, didn't expect the French to show up. For me, they had such massive capability, they just didn't put on the park. That's a choke.
Did you read my post, mate? I said it wasn't a choke like 1999.
Yep, but to me it really was a proper choke. Different to 99 where we switched off from 24-10 up. So yes, I did read it - but thought you were arguing that the 07 wasn't a choke. They were both terrible chokes, but different.
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@Bones Hansen was the worst Wales coach in history, 33% win percentage and only managed wins over Italy, Scotland, Tonga, Canada and Romania.
In contrast, Graham Henry finished with 60% win record with Wales. Big wins over SA, England - does 'The Great Redeemer' ring a bell?
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@taniwharugby said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@junior we were looking forward to the final in 1999, then forgot to come out of the sheds at halftime.
Yeah, I agree with that. But, when it seemed the French were getting on top, it seemed to be me that there was complete surrender, deer in the headlights stuff going on. At least in 2007 it seemed like they had a plan - even though it was the wrong one - and were willing to fight
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@sdrggyy said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Bones Hansen was the worst Wales coach in history, 33% win percentage and only managed wins over Italy, Scotland, Tonga, Canada and Romania.
In contrast, Graham Henry finished with 60% win record with Wales. Big wins over SA, England - does 'The Great Redeemer' ring a bell?
I don't know, does he? Reckon he's got better things to do than be a bell ringer. Thanks for the slightly random facts though.
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Not wishing to trample over kiwi sensibilities with my English size 10s but 1999 was a shocker. The attitude that was displayed allowed for heaps of hubris. I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera as he came off at half time wearing a big shit eating grin. I tell you, if that had been an England player the cries of arrogance would still be ringing out. As someone else said above, they forgot to come out of the sheds after half time. 2007 very different. All the way through your boys knew they were in a game and we’re fighting. Too many things went against you, including the forward pass, the lack of penalties and the perceived lack of plan b.
2019 I will not comment on, I will simply look back on it with enjoyment 😁
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@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera
You sure he wasn't just saying hello to Marty Leslie?
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@Bones said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera
You sure he wasn't just saying hello to Marty Leslie?
Clever if he was. 4 years too early?
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@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Bones said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera
You sure he wasn't just saying hello to Marty Leslie?
Clever if he was. 4 years too early?
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@Bones said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera
You sure he wasn't just saying hello to Marty Leslie?
Brilliant. I remember when he was suspended in 2003 and the whole Scots team twitched one by one as the camera panned over each of them during the anthem.
What a tribute
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@mariner4life said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
We still should have found a way to win though, given the ball and territory, and forward dominance. There was a collective failing of on-field leadership, not helped by losing both our 10s. A perfect storm of absolute shit.
I've come round to thinking the 2019 exit was worse. Can't blame the reffing, minimal injuries and plenty of opportunities to seize control of the game and win it. Instead, we played like headless chooks.
In '07 everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong, but yeah, we should have found a way. At least 2007 exit set the scene for the 2011 & 2015 wins. Just hope last years abject failure does the same
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@MN5 said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Bones said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera
You sure he wasn't just saying hello to Marty Leslie?
Brilliant. I remember when he was suspended in 2003 and the whole Scots team twitched one by one as the camera panned over each of them during the anthem.
What a tribute
Hence my 4 years too early quote.
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@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@MN5 said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Bones said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@Catogrande said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
I recall Kronfeld, I think, winking at the tv camera
You sure he wasn't just saying hello to Marty Leslie?
Brilliant. I remember when he was suspended in 2003 and the whole Scots team twitched one by one as the camera panned over each of them during the anthem.
What a tribute
Hence my 4 years too early quote.
Kronfeld was a master at seeing the play unfold before it happened.
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@Bones said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
Kronfeld was a master at seeing the play unfold before it happened.
Someone once said that about Sione Lauaki.
But that was only because he arrived at the ruck about 5 seconds after everyone else.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
@mariner4life said in Worst All Black RWC exits:
We still should have found a way to win though, given the ball and territory, and forward dominance. There was a collective failing of on-field leadership, not helped by losing both our 10s. A perfect storm of absolute shit.
I've come round to thinking the 2019 exit was worse. Can't blame the reffing, minimal injuries and plenty of opportunities to seize control of the game and win it. Instead, we played like headless chooks.
In '07 everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong, but yeah, we should have found a way. At least 2007 exit set the scene for the 2011 & 2015 wins. Just hope last years abject failure does the same
I think I said it earlier in the thread,
2007 was an emotional loss , maybe i had a more emotional attachment to that team ,dunno
but 2019 I was more angry, it pissed me off the most , we were putrid , no excuses , wasnt a choke , their form leading in was up and down,
England turned up with a plan to beat us , and we looked clueless , and the worst part - soft
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In 2019 the bottom line is the ABs were as good as any other team at the tournament. But it was also obvious no one was good enough to take three teams best shot in three consecutive weeks - the ABS especially when you looked at their back half of 2018 which was supposed to be a dry run where they almost lost in Pretoria and Tickers and then lost in Dublin.
The ABs very clearly lost the ability to go into siege mentality in the past cycle there were at least two games which were dubbed must win and the biggest games of the season going into them and they came up with flat performances (3rd Lions test, Dublin 2018). Without that ability to go up a gear they were always vulnerable to someone's best shot.
They needed an QF or semi against an easier side or a team who played their final the week earlier.
