Lance
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@antipodean said in Lance:
And that cunty photo of him with "his" yellow jerseys sum him up.
Well it's difficult to argue that he didn't earn them. When he rode he wasn't the only one doping. Nor was it just his team.
It's possible to admire the drive and strength to accomplish what he did while acknowledging the repugnant aspects of his personality.
I can't bring myself to admire any part of the man
me too, he's just a scumbag. why should other people also doing the wrong thing be a justification for this piece of shit?
as for earning his wins: no he didn't. he broke the rules and was caught, so by definition he didn't actually win. how can you earn something that you haven't actually achieved? what he has earned is all the vitriol that comes his way. -
@reprobate said in Lance:
me too, he's just a scumbag. why should other people also doing the wrong thing be a justification for this piece of shit?
as for earning his wins: no he didn't. he broke the rules and was caught, so by definition he didn't actually win. how can you earn something that you haven't actually achieved? what he has earned is all the vitriol that comes his way.You're pretty hardcore, adn I respect that. I've stopped watching a lot of the olympics, because I don't know who's clean and who's not any more. That said, there's always shades of grey (Smith/Warner+Sandpaper; NZ (and every other team) with sharpened bottle caps and other bits).
This is a few years old, but well worth a read. Comment on Usain Bolt that makes you really question his capability. It's a bit Lance like - to believe that he is suddenly got so much faster than everyone else who dope requires genuinely rose tinted glasses. It's sobering, but interesting.
https://medium.com/@tomnew/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e
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He robbed clean, hard-working riders of wins. He cheated and lied. A disguisting human being
Who were the clean ones?
the ones at the back of the pack
There was an irish rider who got picked up for doping a few years back. He copped to it, and bascially said 'if I don't dope, I can't compete ... i'm mid pack with doping, and I have to or I'm out of this sport'
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He robbed clean, hard-working riders of wins. He cheated and lied. A disguisting human being
no he didn't. If you weren't doping you're not a professional cyclist. You try riding around France at 43kph without doping.. ha.
He was the scapegoat for over 100 years of doping in the pro peloton. The fact that he was a bit of a carnt shouldn't come into any sanction he received. That carnt factor was also made him a winner.
People always come down hard on his for 'ruining peoples lives'.. which is utter shite. He harmed their employment for a moment in time. 'Disgusting' human being would be for referring to this I guess - I'm always interested to hear the feedback as to why these handful of cyclists are so much more important than the THOUSANDS of people that Lance did good things for in the cancer space - including those who went to their graves happy that he reached out to them.
Why don't you take any of his 'good' into account when you call him a POS - surely the good outweighs the bad?
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He robbed clean, hard-working riders of wins. He cheated and lied. A disguisting human being
Who were the clean ones?
Greg Lemond and Nicole Cooke called out dopers throughout their careers. Fairly sure they were both clean. Sometimes they won, sometimes they lost, but I have a lot more respect for them than certain other pro cyclists of their era.
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@WillieTheWaiter Everything with Lance Armstrong was built on a lie. All his "achievements". He put together the most cynical, systematic, cheating system in history of sport and bullied his way to fame. Even when he claimed he was coming back clean, he was cheating. If I wanted to see people wizz around France on two wheels as fast as possible, I'd watch them on motorbikes.
I want to watch guys compete but inside the agreed and public-stated rules. That's sport. Armstrong had no time for that fundamental convention of competition. A loathsome man who corrupted others. If there was one clean rider in the Pelaton in that era they have my respect much more than a thousand Lance Armstrongs.
Call me old fashioned, but integrity matters.
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@WillieTheWaiter Everything with Lance Armstrong was built on a lie. All his "achievements". He put together the most cynical, systematic, cheating system in history of sport
i'm sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. It has it's roots in USADA's statements at the time which was something along those lines.
For clarity - USADA had never investigated another cycling team. I'm not even sure they'd investigated a "team". So for them to say "most complex doping scheme they'd ever seen" (or whatever the exact words were) wasn't exactly a lie - but some bloke dishing out too many panadols to a team and they looked into it would fit the same bill.
Like many things around Armstrongs doping it's just become part of the over dramatised myth.They injected EPO. Just like every other team, and pretty much every other professional sportsman. Nothing complex about it - just a bloke driving a motorbike around france dropping it off.
You really think that's the most systematic cheating system in the history of sport...??! East Germans.. Russians.. they don't hit the top of your list?
And no way you can say "he" set that up.. as I said, all the teams were doing the same thing. Remember, the reason they started doping as a team was cause they couldn't keep up. You make it sound like doping didn't exist before or after he raced. As I said, he's the scapegoat for drugs in cycling. If you're pi$$ed at him you should be equally pissed at 1000's of others. -
@canefan yeah but now? I can't get to play now on the app
Its finishing in 40 minutes. Not on demand. Next viewing is tomorrow or Thursday? It's almost stone age
Not on demand, fucking killing me!!!!
I'm using Sky Sport Now. Couldn't find it in the features section but when I went back to 11pm on Monday night on ESPN1, you can just play it off there.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Lance:
@WillieTheWaiter Everything with Lance Armstrong was built on a lie. All his "achievements". He put together the most cynical, systematic, cheating system in history of sport
i'm sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. It has it's roots in USADA's statements at the time which was something along those lines.
For clarity - USADA had never investigated another cycling team. I'm not even sure they'd investigated a "team". So for them to say "most complex doping scheme they'd ever seen" (or whatever the exact words were) wasn't exactly a lie - but some bloke dishing out too many panadols to a team and they looked into it would fit the same bill.
Like many things around Armstrongs doping it's just become part of the over dramatised myth.They injected EPO. Just like every other team, and pretty much every other professional sportsman. Nothing complex about it - just a bloke driving a motorbike around france dropping it off.
You really think that's the most systematic cheating system in the history of sport...??! East Germans.. Russians.. they don't hit the top of your list?
And no way you can say "he" set that up.. as I said, all the teams were doing the same thing. Remember, the reason they started doping as a team was cause they couldn't keep up. You make it sound like doping didn't exist before or after he raced. As I said, he's the scapegoat for drugs in cycling. If you're pi$$ed at him you should be equally pissed at 1000's of others.Yup there is a reason none of his stripped titles have been given to the second placers, they were all doing it
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@Machpants the Schlecks were caught more recently weren't they? And I wouldn't be surprised if Sky were up to something, such was their dominance
I thought it was pretty clear Team Sky were up to something dodgy...
Remarkable drugs report shatters Team Sky’s illusion of integrity | Martha Kelner
David Brailsford’s ‘winning clean’ ethos with Sky has been exposed as an empty pledge by an inquiry whose damning findings stretch far and wide
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@Machpants the Schlecks were caught more recently weren't they? And I wouldn't be surprised if Sky were up to something, such was their dominance
I thought it was pretty clear Team Sky were up to something dodgy...
Remarkable drugs report shatters Team Sky’s illusion of integrity | Martha Kelner
David Brailsford’s ‘winning clean’ ethos with Sky has been exposed as an empty pledge by an inquiry whose damning findings stretch far and wide
I missed that, but I'm not surprised
