Hansen
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@kiwiinmelb said in Hansen:
@Chris Japan probably had no option. They are too small.
It’s hard to knock what japan achieved when they exceeded all expectations
Not Knocking them think they lite up the WC great to see them go well for Rugbys sake just stating the Game plan doesn't work against some teams
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@kiwiinmelb I am not knocking them just stating the obvious once they came up against the big boys. They exceeded expectations and good for them.
Get where you are coming from , I guess in Japan’s case they played to their strengths, if they had taken them on up front they may have got monstered more so .
That shouldn’t be the case for us
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Eddie Jones was right when he said Hansen always thought about what was best for the game.
I think we went too far in recent times trying to be loved and always trying to project a positive image at all times. In the end the worse thing you say about a Rugby player is that they are nice. Time for the All Blacks to be more ruthless and nasty.
And, in any event, it didn’t work, because people will hate us no matter what as long as we are successful
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Eddie Jones was right when he said Hansen always thought about what was best for the game.
I think we went too far in recent times trying to be loved and always trying to project a positive image at all times. In the end the worse thing you say about a Rugby player is that they are nice. Time for the All Blacks to be more ruthless and nasty.
I took Jones's comments to mean Shag's opinions on world rugby issues, such as the world league and the welfare of lower tier nations. I think he generally acts with class and is refreshingly honest but that doesnt translate into generosity towards the opposition once the game starts
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Bridge was poor. Its a bit pointless arguing who was more poor. And really Bridge and Reece only made the starting team because of who they play for
Coaches naturally have preferences for the team they support. But a good coach has the maturity to put his preferences to one side and pick the best team. They must do this and also make it seem as they doing this otherwise its likely to create a strange atmosphere in the team. When Hansen picked Barrett over Cane it was obvious what was going on. Then what followed was a dreadful performance
Hansen failed the maturity test. As Wylie, Hart and Deans did before him. Henry and Smith didn't.
The next coach can't be Robertson. He's not ready yet. Go overseas and coach for a few years to prove he can coach outside the safe Crusaders environment. I just like the look of Joseph and Brown. Greta combination and Joseph is a perfect front person
Utter garbage. Bridge and Reece had both earned their spots and neither are to blame for what happened yesterday. You have ZERO credibility when you promote this Hansen Crusaders bias crap at the same time as blatantly ignoring how poor your boy Jordie was off the bench, in a continuation of his legacy of AB brain farts. Also, how much time have you spent in the AB environment, enabling you to comment on the atmosphere within the side??
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Loses to Ireland. Lions drawn series. Poor RWC just finished. Hes a coach who benefited from Smith and Henry and great players to choose from but was badly exposed at the end.
Aside from our first ever losses to a really good Ireland team (the best I've ever seen) his record is quality and what I'd expect from a guy who's lost 7-8 guys from the greatest AB side of all time.
This is a bit like when John Hart's success of 1996-97 gets labelled lucky because he inherited Mains' 1995 team.
So much reinvention of history in both scenarios.
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Jacobsen at 8 maybe, or world's laziest player Akira Iaone 8 had achance of he gets an atutude transplant.
Regardless, 8 is wide open. As is 6 really, along with reserve props.Yeah to be honest I'd completely forgotten about Jacobson! Best shoulders in the business, get him in there. Big shame he got injured.
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So, I stand by my assertion that Hansen could only do so much with the available cattle. Losing C Smith, Nonu, Carter, McCaw, Woodcock and Mealamu after 2015 (and Kaino after 2017) was always going to be an enormous challenge and replacing those guys plus trying to nurse through other aging stars resulted in holes and selection inconsistencies.
The cattle argument would hold a lot more water if there were any posts four years ago, a year ago, when the WC squad was named or when the team for Saturday was named (that's on Thursday FYI) saying "on paper I think they are better than us" - which no one did.
I'm not going to cry a river for Hansen having Barrett and Cane waiting in the wings to replace Carter and McCaw. Woodcock was out by the pointy end of 2011 and Taylor is every bit the player of 2015 Mealamu/Hore.
This side isn't a patch on 2015 of course - but could it have been as good as 2011? Just on a one off fixture could they have produced a better performance than Saturday (or the England/Ireland games on the EOYT, or last two Lions tests?). Absolutely.
This is very much an issue of how the cards were played than how they were dealt.
Who in their right mind would have taken England's hand after not making it out of pool play over ours in 2015?
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Time for the All Blacks to be more ruthless and nasty.
On the field, yes. Def need some mongrel - we've allowed ourselves to be bullied in few tests and haven't taken a deep breath, toughed it out and gained ascendemcy.
However, I'm happy with the "Nice All Black" image. Far too much of rugby is going down the whiny soccer route without NZ adding to it.
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
@Kirwan Exactly. And dropping Ioane and Cane was really aggravating.
Every 50/50 selection call had a Crusader bias too.
Seriously?!
This is the conspiracy theory nut job stuff.
Bridge, Reese, stupid Barrett at 6, Richie over BB at ten, broken Read persisted with, Taylor over Coles.
Each selection went the Crusaders way.
Meanwhile Crotty had the wisdom to have changed some tactics and was out of 23.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Hansen:
Time for the All Blacks to be more ruthless and nasty.
On the field, yes. Def need some mongrel - we've allowed ourselves to be bullied in few tests and haven't taken a deep breath, toughed it out and gained ascendemcy.
However, I'm happy with the "Nice All Black" image. Far too much of rugby is going down the whiny soccer route without NZ adding to it.
Don't want winny soccer approach just more pragmatism and realism. Not Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney, more like Colin Meads or Richie McCaw.
It isn't the All Blacks job to manage and to promote Rugby as a brand around the world that is World Rugby's task.
The All Blacks have become so obsessed with being liked beyond their own shores that it almost seems needy at times.
Tew and Hansen became too idealistic. Reading Carok Dweck and Martin Seligman, while Eddie Jones and Rassie Erasmus were looking to Sun Tzu, Machiavelli and Clausewitz for inspiration.
It is cruel and nasty world. Naive bunnies get eaten up.
Being likeable is for Disney characters. The prime job of All Blacks is to crush the dreams of other international Rugby players on the field.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Hansen:
Time for the All Blacks to be more ruthless and nasty.
On the field, yes. Def need some mongrel - we've allowed ourselves to be bullied in few tests and haven't taken a deep breath, toughed it out and gained ascendemcy.
However, I'm happy with the "Nice All Black" image. Far too much of rugby is going down the whiny soccer route without NZ adding to it.
Don't want winny soccer approach just more pragmatism and realism. Not Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney, more like Colin Meads or Richie McCaw.
It isn't the All Blacks job to manage and to promote Rugby as a brand around the world that is World Rugby's task.
The All Blacks have become so obsessed with being liked beyond their own shores that it almost seems needy at times.
Tew and Hansen became too idealistic. Reading Carok Dwek and Martin Seligman, while Eddie Jones and Rassie Erasmus were looking to Sun Tzu, Machiavelli and Clausewitz for inspiration.
It is cruel and nasty world. Naive bunnies get eaten up.
Being likeable is for Disney characters. The prime job of All Blacks is to crush the dreams of other international Rugby players on the field.
This last bit.
Everyone loves a winner.
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