RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C)
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow I agree. It’s not that difficult. It wrecked the viewing experience. It’s a market mate. It’s a very competitive market in world sport. But you go on being super righteous.
... lost the phone for a few minutes as Ms boo jr listens to music doing the dishes ...
But ...
It's sport, it's random. You can't control the outcome. This is entirely Lavinini's fault. He messed up his sport, played outside the laws thereof and paid the world penalty.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Been a while since I watched England but they are going to be very hard to beat. Strong pack, organised defense and they even have a couple of players that are a threat with ball in hand. They'll also take confidence from this game despite the card.
They'll take confidence, but England still look too defensive for me. A big game is won on two or three chances, and they don't look comfortable taking risks in those situations.
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@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
What the hell is this? Are you another wanting penalties removed from the game? Knock ons should be play on? We wouldn't want to punish a team for the actions of a player! It's a fricken team game.
The problem isn't the cards.
You’re being totally ridiculous now.
The point is red cards get dished out every second or third game nowadays, so do we really want to see 1/3 of rugby games decided by red cards?
I don’t, and I suspect thousands of other people don’t. People will stop watching, simple as that.
I'm not the one who started being ridiculous. You've changed your point now. So you don't mind a team being punished for the actions of a player?
Is it that hard to understand the cards aren't the problem? It's odd, I thought most of the time they don't just appear out of midair. I wonder why we would see cards in a game?
Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
I have not changed my point.
It’s simple, I think the amount of red cards being handed out these days is ruining too many rugby games.
You don’t.
We could go round in circles all night but instead let’s just agree to disagree.
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@voodoo thanks for your considered response. I agree that you can’t just let teams cynically go for fouls to win the game, knowing they can cover the penalty later. But think about this: If a valued player infringes at a red card level, he doesn’t come back. He’s off. He’s replaced but there’s no guarantee the replacement is of a similar quality. He also faces a judicial panel afterwards who may apply additional sanctions. I think this is sufficient to achieve what you desire, which is fewer professional fouls.
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@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
Say for example one of your players throws a stupid quick throw in that gets intercepted... let's not punish that with 5 points ...
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@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
What the hell is this? Are you another wanting penalties removed from the game? Knock ons should be play on? We wouldn't want to punish a team for the actions of a player! It's a fricken team game.
The problem isn't the cards.
You’re being totally ridiculous now.
The point is red cards get dished out every second or third game nowadays, so do we really want to see 1/3 of rugby games decided by red cards?
I don’t, and I suspect thousands of other people don’t. People will stop watching, simple as that.
I'm not the one who started being ridiculous. You've changed your point now. So you don't mind a team being punished for the actions of a player?
Is it that hard to understand the cards aren't the problem? It's odd, I thought most of the time they don't just appear out of midair. I wonder why we would see cards in a game?
Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
I have not changed my point.
It’s simple, I think the amount of red cards being handed out these days is ruining too rugby games.
You don’t.
We could go round in circles all night but instead let’s just agree to disagree.
I'm not sure if that allowed
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@Chester-Draws said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
Been a while since I watched England but they are going to be very hard to beat. Strong pack, organised defense and they even have a couple of players that are a threat with ball in hand. They'll also take confidence from this game despite the card.
They'll take confidence, but England still look too defensive for me. A big game is won on two or three chances, and they don't look comfortable taking risks in those situations.
England look as unconvincing as their supporters in the crowd. They look like they were just told they were saving 10 cents on their dinner tonight (The supporters that is).
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@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
how the fuck do England plan to make it through four games and have enough in the tank to win a final. they're fucked,
I agree but with Argentina being knocked out now, Jones could rest a lot of his starters against France. France beating Argentina in that first game has given England this option.
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@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
What the hell is this? Are you another wanting penalties removed from the game? Knock ons should be play on? We wouldn't want to punish a team for the actions of a player! It's a fricken team game.
The problem isn't the cards.
Presactly
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@akan004 said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@westcoastie said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
how the fuck do England plan to make it through four games and have enough in the tank to win a final. they're fucked,
I agree but with Argentina being knocked out now, Jones could rest a lot of his starters against France. France beating Argentina in that first game has given England this option.
this is very true - hadn't considered that angle - but a win tonight doesn't mean they top the pool does it. Plus a loss to France, puts them into a quarter with Wales compared to Australia. They want and need to win the pool.
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@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Bones said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@Gunner Quite. And the paying public might well ask for their money back. Even better, a class action against the piston wristed gibbons who run World Rugby.
Give it up ffs.
The guy went for a hard hit against arguably England's best / most influential player.
He got it wrong.
He was suitably punished.
It's not that difficult.
I don’t believe anyone is arguing about the crime and punishment. We can park that.
It’s about common sense and not punishing a team for one of their players actions.
Red cards have become more common than hot dinners, and I like many others see it as a problem for the game.
What the hell is this? Are you another wanting penalties removed from the game? Knock ons should be play on? We wouldn't want to punish a team for the actions of a player! It's a fricken team game.
The problem isn't the cards.
You’re being totally ridiculous now.
The point is red cards get dished out every second or third game nowadays, so do we really want to see 1/3 of rugby games decided by red cards?
I don’t, and I suspect thousands of other people don’t. People will stop watching, simple as that.
I'm not the one who started being ridiculous. You've changed your point now. So you don't mind a team being punished for the actions of a player?
Is it that hard to understand the cards aren't the problem? It's odd, I thought most of the time they don't just appear out of midair. I wonder why we would see cards in a game?
Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
I have not changed my point.
It’s simple, I think the amount of red cards being handed out these days is ruining too many rugby games.
You don’t.
We could go round in circles all night but instead let’s just agree to disagree.
You said a team shouldn't be punished for the actions of a player. It's right there in your posts. But yeah I'm smoking something eh?
The game hasn't been ruined by the amount of cards.
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@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@booboo Yes, and one day the world will be free. Give me a break.
Que?
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Will the constant red cards change the behaviour long term? I really don't think so, rugby is a full contact sport where the players are trying to make dominant tackles.
Of the 5 red cards so far in the tournament how many of the players meant to conduct foul play?
The current system basically ruins the game and as a paying customer I would be unhappy.
Look at the NRL, they penalise the player after the game in terms of suspension, they don't penalise the entire team and change the result.
I know old mate has a poor record but I highly doubt he meant to ruin the chances of his entire team.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MrDenmore said in RWC: England v Argentina (Pool C):
@MiketheSnow An extension of your argument. Don’t cheat on your tax returns (but people do). The fact is the incentives in professional sport are now at a level that players are going to break laws to win. It’s why Lance Armstrong won all those Tours de France denying he was drug enhanced when he was. It’s money that drives players at this level to infringe. Rugby wants to pretend it’s still an amateur sport. It isn’t. It’s big business. I’m not arguing that players should be put in peril for our entertainment. But. I’m saying if the sanctions system destroys the game as spectacle, the money won’t flow. Kearns is right. It will kill the sport.
Using Kearns to support your argument.
You're embarrassing yourself now.
Worth a "retweet"
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Ireally hope we get to play against Heinz, and Vunipolas
