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canefan

The more I see the Lockwood design the more I see half of our current flag with a silver fern cut and pasted into a corner. This other flag is simple, bold and a complete departure from the old, as were the flags of SA and Canada (2 relatively recent changed flags). It reflects our Maori and colonial origins and I'm liking it more and more

Winger

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That post but not for symbolism.
 
Its my first opportunity to see it other than a nicely presented airbrushed blowing in the morning breezes piece of artwork.
 
I really like its simplicity and that one side is red/white/black our Maori heritage and the other red/white/blue our British.
 
But in TR's representation it looks a bit meh.
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But its comparing a flag on paper (computer screen) to a great picture or photo's
 
So of course it comes off second best. But flags are best outside surrounded by nature or even human creations. And then the red peak looks great
 
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jegga

Heres the panel, obvious lack of lesbian green voting dolphin midwife but other than that its a decent cross section of people . I'm not sure why it has to be made up of graphic designers but I reckon the ceo of Saatchi and Saatchi would have a decent idea of designs that work as would a flag historian. As TR has pointed out scratch the surface of a lot of peoples objections to the flag and Keys name comes up pretty quickly, it speaks volumes about them that they would waste an opportunity like this to have a childish crack at Key. If the red peak meant so much to them why didn't they start their hash tags etc before the final four were picked? I see Andrew Little has got behind the red peak as well now and the designer says he's never seen so many people get behind a new form of New Zealnd identity. Really ? How often does something like this happen? Oh and he said this from Melbourne where he lives........<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/growing-support-for-red-peak-flag-design-2015090516 '>https://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/growing-support-for-red-peak-flag-design-2015090516 </a>
 
 
Nicky Bell â€“ CEO of Saatchi & Saatchi New Zealand and board director, Auckland 
Peter Chin, CNZM â€“ Former Mayor of Dunedin, director and trustee, Dunedin 
Julie Christie, ONZM â€“ Director of Julie Christie Inc. and board member, Auckland 
Rod Drury â€“ CEO of Xero and technology entrepreneur, Havelock North 
Beatrice Faumuina, ONZM â€“ Olympian, Commonwealth gold medallist, ASB Head of Talent & People Strategy, board member and trustee, Waitakere 
Lt Gen (Rtd) Rhys Jones, CNZM â€“ Former Chief of NZ Defence Force, Wellington 
Stephen Jones â€“ Invercargill Youth Councillor, Invercargill 
Sir Brian Lochore, ONZ, KNZM, OBE â€“ Former All Blacks captain, coach and administrator, Masterton 
Malcolm Mulholland â€“ Academic and flag historian, Palmerston North 
Hana Oâ€™Regan â€“ Academic, Maori Flag Consideration Panel members announcedstudies and te reo Maori, Christchurch

dogmeat

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But its comparing a flag on paper (computer screen) to a great picture or photo's
 
So of course it comes off second best. But flags are best outside surrounded by nature or even human creations. And then the red peak looks great
 
 
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Yeah but we havent had the opportunity to see the others have an ad agency make-over so the on paper comparison is the only fair one

Winger

Here's another recent flag :good1:
 
This works as well the red peak flag. The black fern could still be used for sports events
 
<img src="http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4821426-3x4-700x933.jpg" alt="4821426-3x4-700x933.jpg">

Winger

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Yeah but we havent had the opportunity to see the others have an ad agency make-over so the on paper comparison is the only fair one
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canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="513812" data-time="1441535009">Here's another recent flag :good1: 
 
This works as well the red peak flag. The black fern could still be used for sports events 
 <img src="http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4821426-3x4-700x933.jpg" alt="4821426-3x4-700x933.jpg"></blockquote>I wonder how SA arrived at their design? It is a total departure from the old, a bold statement. It didn't take long to become iconic either

dogmeat

Thanks Winger You sort of make my point, Red Peak IMO looks far less impressive there

jegga

Dogmeat which one do you think you'll vote for?

Winger

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Dogmeat which one do you think you'll vote for?
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With the red peak as an option

canefan

If they stick to their guns and keep the four flags I think I will vote for status quo

red terror

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So how do they have a better idea of what NZers want though? What if the best graphic designer in NZ was a German, or French, or American? 

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From memory, when Hunterwasser designed his flag back in the early 1980s, he (an Austrian) was careful to offer it merely as a suggestion, he didn't expect his flag to be flown, he merely wanted to inject an idea into mainstream Kiwi thought that, hey, you really should identify yourself with a signature flag, and was careful to suggest it should be designed by a Kiwi. I would prefer the design not get outsourced, it should be home-grown.

red terror

I like the red peak, yet it looks more like a corporate trail marker or a boy-scout banner (someone else mentioned road marker) than it does an emblematic national flag. What makes it work is that it has perfect triangles and the composition (weight) is balanced. It doesn't need to be modified. But I can't say I love it.

Winger

This looks great
 
<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg" alt="COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg">

Baron Silas Greenback

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Actual designers or graphic artists
 
Rather than ex ABs etc. Like AB coaches have actual rugby coaching experience rather than graphical design experience
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Actual designers? Are we not we all designers? What qualification do you require to make you a designer? I could start a design business tomorrow. I did a graphic design paper at Uni.. does that make me a graphics designer? I hope not, because that course was a complete joke, a 3rd year paper that wanked on about inane bullshit and then gave A's out like candy.

Baron Silas Greenback

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This looks great
 
<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg" alt="COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg">
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I dont like it.

Chris B.

canefan

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I like the red peak, yet it looks more like a corporate trail marker or a boy-scout banner (someone else mentioned road marker) than it does an emblematic national flag. What makes it work is that it has perfect triangles and the composition (weight) is balanced. It doesn't need to be modified. But I can't say I love it.
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I don't think it will be loved straight off. But its been pointed out earlier that the Canadian flag by example was not universally liked, in fact there were many that hated it. Yet it is iconic now, and loved

Rancid Schnitzel

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This looks great <img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg" alt="COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg"></blockquote>
 
Yes, if NZ was the name of a company that makes mountaineering equipment.

Crucial

So no one wants anything that looks like it may be a 'logo'. Fair enough, that just leaves traditional style bands of colours and I have the perfect solution...
 
 
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The Silver Fern

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