Rugby & Concussions / Head Injuries
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Thought I'd bump up this thread because I've found this video with Dr Stephen Kara with one of the 1014 boys pretty interesting:
By the way, there's been some interesting theories going around that the spate of failed All Black concussions are a result of us tackling lower to avoid yellow cards (and as a result getting hit with hips and legs). Not sure if that's been discussed on here before?
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@Milk cheers,
Read the book League of Denial (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Denial) recently. Good read, similar to the film Concussion (it was the source fo the film), but without the dramatisation. Interesting, and scary.
Rugby doesn't seem to have the same issue, as the number of head hits is a lot lower. The scrimmage line in NFL gets beaten at training, and then dozens of times in the game. Rugby doesn't have helmets, so doesn't have a culture of using the head as a weapon.
Very sobering though, and it seems a matter of time until there are deep rooted changes in american football.
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Radio Sport currently talking to Blues Dr. Steven Kara about this topic.
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Harder fields can't help. When I played if your head landed it was likely in soft mud. Also we started later in the season.
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Another player retires due to concussion: former Wallabies centre Anthony Fainga’a
‘Held up at the altar’: Wallaby reveals scary concussion battle
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'Overall injury rate is not increasing globally and concussion rate appears to be decreasing for first time'
With rugby under a cloud due to recent player deaths through injuries sustained in the field of play, a conference this week in Paris has vowed to tackle the issue of player safety.
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Sports may be a bit nervous about litigation further down the track. Recently two footballers in different codes here in Australia have admitted having problems 5 or 7 years after retiring which have included passing out and epileptic fits and class actions have been mentioned as a possibility if these symptoms can be shown to be related to concussions they received in their professional playing days i.e. their workplace.
I am on the executive of a smallish regional Hockey Association and we have been asked by our governing body to have a concussion policy/strategy in place
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Mouthguards that send head impact data live to the sidelines set for PRO14 debut
Mouthguards that contain a tiny electronic chip measuring impacts will send real time data to a receiving station that can be plugged into a team doctor's laptop.
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@mikey07 reckon it's a good idea (costing tho!?). There would be significant collisions at nearly all levels of full tackle rugby imo. Probably less frequent in lower grades, but if you're on the pitch you are a chance to get snotted aye.
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In my opinion it's not the size of the guys at the "lower levels" (although most of them at any serious grade are fucking big now) it's the fact that as you slip down in grades, the accuracy of the players gets progressively worse. You are more likely to cop a lazy smack in the face in reserve grade as a guy wants to go hard, but doesn't have the skill to do it safely. Lower grades are where the needlessly violent end up too.
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One of our young guys on the weekend copped a nasty one 10 minutes in - ambulance took him to hospital. Grade ?2? diagnosis, though he wasn't really knocked out. I was running touch, and it was the first time I've seen someone take a knee to the head that close, and not be able to get up without staggering.
Shame as he's 22 and built for the front row, but picked up 4 previous concussions playing grid iron so my advice to him: sit the fuck down.
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@NTA ugh, a knee or hip to the head can drop you like a stone. I wonder if Mythbusters ever did an impact test for sports? they did them a bunch for other sorts of collisions or explosions. Hmmm can't see the NFL of old getting behind that! too much chance of bad info coming out.
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@NTA said in Concussion:
One of our young guys on the weekend copped a nasty one 10 minutes in - ambulance took him to hospital. Grade ?2? diagnosis, though he wasn't really knocked out. I was running touch, and it was the first time I've seen someone take a knee to the head that close, and not be able to get up without staggering.
Shame as he's 22 and built for the front row, but picked up 4 previous concussions playing grid iron so my advice to him: sit the fuck down.
Given that you claimed you were "running" touch I'm unsure about how true the rest is.
In all seriousness that's farked. We're lucky rugby was invented back in the good old days. No way it would be allowed these days. I don't there's a single person who has played the game for any length of time who hasn't sustained a relatively serious injury. I retired from my underwhelming rugby career at 24. I'd been knocked out twice, broke my nose twice, broke my ankle, and tore my hamstring. And that doesn't include stitches and the times some fuckwit tap danced on my head. I'd imagine that was getting off lightly compared to many who have played the game. Rugby is a psycho game which requires zero regard for your own personal safety. Once you start getting worried about injury, it's pretty much game over.
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@Paekakboyz said in Concussion:
@NTA ugh, a knee or hip to the head can drop you like a stone. I wonder if Mythbusters ever did an impact test for sports? they did them a bunch for other sorts of collisions or explosions. Hmmm can't see the NFL of old getting behind that! too much chance of bad info coming out.
And he's actually got a solid tackling technique - this was just a freak incident where he was in the wrong place during a cleanout.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel pffffft. 35 years playing rugby and my most brutal injury came playing netball.
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@Bones said in Concussion:
@Rancid-Schnitzel pffffft. 35 years playing rugby and my most brutal injury came playing netball.
You played netball? What a fag.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Concussion:
@Bones said in Concussion:
@Rancid-Schnitzel pffffft. 35 years playing rugby and my most brutal injury came playing netball.
You played netball? What a fag.
You should see me on court, I'm such a bitch.
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