The Semenya Rule
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@salacious-crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Why do we even have handicapped sporting events? An antiquated 19th Century mystery to me. I’m all for equality, and I don’t like restrictions based on gender, NOT EVER, not under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, so let’s make athletic events Open — and I mean, truly OPEN — to everybody — EVERY-BODY — every race, every sex, and all 57 genders. And if that means for the time-being that women get underrepresented in some events, like at the Olympic Games, then tough-titties baby, you wanted equality, you got it. They’ll just have to train harder to qualify, or find something else to do. It’s the right thing. Zero discrimination. Each by their own merit. TRUE athletic competition. Of course, the sheilas will still dominate ultra-long distance swimming events, because they have physical advantages, just like they can have babies, whereas men, regardless of what “Loretta” thinks about the “right to have a baby,” men just can’t do it.
No handicap events?
Just in case this is actually what you think, and not a Poe.
No age handicaps? No weight handicaps?
All adult rugby is open grade -- no President's grade and no Colts. Schools can play a 20-year-old provided he is enrolled?
All weightlifting, boxing etc is open grade?
Or are you happy with small men being allowed their own events? Just not women.
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@no-quarter said in The Semenya Rule:
@godder said in The Semenya Rule:
@taniwharugby said in The Semenya Rule:
@mn5 at which part, or just offended in general, at me, the internet?
Surely all of the above - isn't that what we do on the internet?
Is equestrian (and horse racing) reasonably evenly matched between men and women?
The horses or the people? What gender horse dominates? And do any horses identify as non-binary? This could open a big can of worms in the horse racing industry.
Yeah and what about the para-events? At the very least I expect to see a horse with a wheel on it or something.
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@godder said in The Semenya Rule:
@taniwharugby said in The Semenya Rule:
@mn5 at which part, or just offended in general, at me, the internet?
Surely all of the above - isn't that what we do on the internet?
Is equestrian (and horse racing) reasonably evenly matched between men and women?
I don't know about horse racing (I think there is aa arguable strength element) but in show jumping and eventing there is no issue with one gender having an advantage. In eventing there used to be a slight advantage due to the old 'roads and tracks' phase (with has now disappeared). Top male riders would sometimes get fit enough to run alongside their mounts and save 'wear and tear' on the horse. It was never a biggie though as can be noticed by heavy smokers such as Toddy.
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Can't remember which other thread we are talking about this in...
Transgender athletes get places 1 and 2 in sprint race
Caught this from a reddit thread and in the comments they were talking about the transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who actually got beaten (via choke hold) by a more talented female fighter. But that was after s/he'd smashed a bunch of less technically talented female fighters. So the extra strength was enough to beat down on 'lesser' fighters, but once someone skilled came along it was nite nite.
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@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
Can't remember which other thread we are talking about this in...
Transgender athletes get places 1 and 2 in sprint race
Caught this from a reddit thread and in the comments they were talking about the transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who actually got beaten (via choke hold) by a more talented female fighter. But that was after s/he'd smashed a bunch of less technically talented female fighters. So the extra strength was enough to beat down on 'lesser' fighters, but once someone skilled came along it was nite nite.
It's the old rule isn't it -
skill is better than size, but size and skill is damn near unbeatable
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@nzzp I have lived or storied if we go by BSG tags
experience of this. I played reserve grade rugby in wellington and we had a couple of really good seasons. Enough so that our coach decided to put us up a grade the following season, without much consultation... at least that's how I remember it. I was playing front row and while we did front up against bigger front rows the skills were pretty much on par.But that next grade up? fuck me. Packing down against guys at least 20-30kg heavier, who had often played at least a bit in prems, and were only playing the current grade due to not wanting to train harder, or from other commitments. Had two rib injuries that year, and one scrum I will never forget where my neck was screaming due to the pressure. Scary shit!
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@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
@nzzp I have lived or storied if we go by BSG tags
experience of this. I played reserve grade rugby in wellington and we had a couple of really good seasons. Enough so that our coach decided to put us up a grade the following season, without much consultation... at least that's how I remember it. I was playing front row and while we did front up against bigger front rows the skills were pretty much on par.But that next grade up? fuck me. Packing down against guys at least 20-30kg heavier, who had often played at least a bit in prems, and were only playing the current grade due to not wanting to train harder, or from other commitments. Had two rib injuries that year, and one scrum I will never forget where my neck was screaming due to the pressure. Scary shit!
It's so shit when you pop your head above your ceiling. I've had a few humbling experiences that brought back the stark reality of how untalented and physically limited i really was.
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@Siam said in The Semenya Rule:
I've always thought rugby follows the axiom that a good big man will always beat a good little man.
As us little blokes found out the hard way in the 80s and 90s when more PI kids took up rugbyabsolutely. You have to be quick, strong, or smart.
And smart will only get you so far.
As a quick aside, now that it's off season, the NFL Instagram has been showing video of the Draft Combine performances of some of the stars. Jesus the level of athletic ability is just amazing.
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@mooshld said in The Semenya Rule:
@rembrandt said in The Semenya Rule:
@toddy said in The Semenya Rule:
@mooshld said in The Semenya Rule:
@tordah said in The Semenya Rule:
as men are of course outperforming women in every sport (weirdly, bar long distance swimming, or so I read somewhere).
Ultra running as well. Once you go over 150kms gender is very much less relevant.
Is that true? A quick Google of ultra running distances (100miles) has men well ahead of women. The fastest man running 100miles on a track is over 2 hours quicker than the best female.
Even looking at 24 - 48 hour races have the best men covering a lot more distance than the females.
Yeah it was one of those convincing claims in that very popular book "born to run". I think there were a few claims that weren't exactly true.
Check out what Courtney Dauwalter did in the Maub 240. On a race by race basis you get woman winning a lot more frequently then you would if you looked at shorter distances. I didn't say its a 50 50 but like I said gender is less of an issue and you do sometimes get woman winning outright.
She’s a freak athlete, I remember heariNg there was an hour or more between her and the next runner.
I’m not sure I buy everything in Born to run but he’s a great writer imho .
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@mariner4life ha ha I had zero delusions, unfortunately that wasn't the case with our manager/coach.
I swear one front row probably weighed upward of 380-400kg, I knew one guy was around 140kg and his partners in crime were of similar size. They gassed super quick but they only had to lean against us in the scrum!!
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@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
Can't remember which other thread we are talking about this in...
Transgender athletes get places 1 and 2 in sprint race
Caught this from a reddit thread and in the comments they were talking about the transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who actually got beaten (via choke hold) by a more talented female fighter. But that was after s/he'd smashed a bunch of less technically talented female fighters. So the extra strength was enough to beat down on 'lesser' fighters, but once someone skilled came along it was nite nite.
Saw that too. It's pretty harsh on the naturally born females who lose awards, accolades and very probably scholarships and cash because they are getting smashed by dudes.
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@Paekakboyz 2 seasons ago when TR Jnr was playing U12, a team from Auckland came up to play them, thier front row was almost 300kg...fortunately these guys could barely run, but was bit of a shock for our 150kg front row to see them turn up haha.
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@mariner4life said in The Semenya Rule:
As a quick aside, now that it's off season, the NFL Instagram has been showing video of the Draft Combine performances of some of the stars. Jesus the level of athletic ability is just amazing.
haha and by way of comparison, i just watched Tom Brady's. It's not hard to see why he went so low
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Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
This is a good development - there should be one category for Olympics: Citius, Altius, Fortius. So women, trans and disabled people can participate by watching from the stands.
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@antipodean said in The Semenya Rule:
@Salacious-Crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
This is a good development - there should be one category for Olympics: Citius, Altius, Fortius. So women, trans and disabled people can participate by watching from the stands.
the way the Greeks intended
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@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
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@taniwharugby said in The Semenya Rule:
@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
I believe that's the prize awaiting a Spartan.
Olympics to change policies and allow transgender athletes to compete
