Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@sparky said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@machpants Don't know what Foster hopes to gain from criticising Aki for doing what was best for his career when Foster didn't pick him for higher honours.
Ermmm... What exactly was the criticism? Being Irish?
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Imagine if Meg had a decent pass?
He's not even the best AB halfback to come out of Canterbury. No, not Bruce Deans but Bachop.
Can't remember Bachop playing 80 odd games.
But facts don't matter with opinions huh?
Marshall pass wasn't the liability that Smith's defence is against a decent forward pack. Smith was poor against the books last 2 games, just not up to the physicality.
Both are great players but Marshall had less limitations, scored more tries (24 - 16), kicked better and never cried on telly 😉
For sure Smith has a better pass but apart from recency bias, name one other attribute he is distinctly better than Marsh at?
Until he started commentating, I couldn't hate Marshy because, during those dark years between 1998 and 2003, he was often the only guy on our team who looked like he wanted to win and was prepared to do something about it.
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@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6 🤣
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6 🤣
TJP reminds me a bit of Marshy - a good rugby player, with a great rugby brain, but technically deficient (almost critically so).
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@taniwharugby not it's not. A halfbacks slow pass isn't an automatic turnover. Poor comparison.
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off the top of my head , I think Marshall was the best wet weather halfback I have seen in Black
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anybody conflating Marshalls commentary with his rugby playing ability is a retard
I'm not sure if anyone is doing that. I'm simply saying that I couldn't hate him because he was a decent rugby player - with a big ticker - but now I can because he's a shit commentator.
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
Winning?
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
Toilet Shenanigans
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@junior said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anybody conflating Marshalls commentary with his rugby playing ability is a retard
I'm not sure if anyone is doing that. I'm simply saying that I couldn't hate him because he was a decent rugby player - with a big ticker - but now I can because he's a shit commentator.
I'm certain no one said that, it was simply a statement from me, an incredibly true statement, I'm sure you'd agree
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@junior I can't attribute our wins solely to Aaron so confidentally, I suspect team mates and opposition had some influence on results
It counts, but it's relative importance is subjective. Fact is, his passing ability alone has allowed the team to play very differently on attack, with a great deal of success. I personally think that a lot of our forwards' great "ball-handling ability" is down to the extra time they get due to the speed and accuracy of his pass.
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@junior yeah, it's all well and good to attribute "wins" to one or the other in certain areas, but you'd have to factor in the degree of the "win" and it's relevance, as well as the effect on the team.
Smith is so much better at passing it's not funny. He's a better kicker too, it's not even. The half back isn't there to be physical for the most part, so how relevant is that?
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6 🤣
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
Yeah it’s best we don’t compare the literacy of the two . After David ffs .
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@bones yeah, I was thinking of that too. Hard to remember Marshall and we weren't so stats savvy.
Was also wondering at support lines and backing up.
Marsh a bit more busy at the back clearing?
Look, different times, different rules, different lots of things.
Aaron Smith has been fucking fantastic. Functioned marvelously in these systems and set ups, but since the toilet especially since toilet, he's waned slightly. Getting fucked over by fucking Samwise DeClerk and not being able to help when our forwards are getting a bit of physical stick reaaly got on my goat this year.
I hated Marsh when he wasnt in black. I totally hated his pass. Mocked it daily and hate it now, why couldn't he learn to speed it up like Bachop - then we'd be able unleash those wingers and fullback? It was shit
But like Junior rightfully said, he played to win and used his body and aggression on fluffybunnies.
Marshall would do a far better job today than Smith would back then, whatever that means.
So basically don't dine out too much on Marshall talking absolute nonsense today, he was a fucken good All Black. Slimly better than a somewhat limited, though brilliant Aaron Smith, I reckon
