England v South Africa
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If that was a certain AB with no.12 on his jersey do you think the same decision by the ref would have been made? No fuckin' chance!
As @MiketheSnow said, SA could have had 2 penalties in that last passage of play.
I watched a full replay with an eye on England. I think we'll do them in the scrum if they start Hepburn again. Worst game I've seen Daly play at international level.
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@bovidae said in England v South Africa:
If that was a certain AB with no.12 on his jersey do you think the same decision by the ref would have been made? No fuckin' chance!
Going on previous history, I'm pretty sure SBW will test this theory next Sunday (if he makes the 23)
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The more you watch the game up in the NH the more you realise there are two sets of rules - one for the NH nad one for the SH (oh and a spare one for the Top 14) really that was a pure brain fart by both Farrell and Gardner. Farrell has form for this shit, coming from a league background.
Still can't understand why England can't play with any creativity or spark, when they get the ball they don't seem to know what to do with it. And space is the great unknown to them.
Reckon iif we can roll through the gears, are patient, minimise errors without giving away kickable penalties , and dictate the pace of the game we should be ok. Speeding the game up will be our biggest weapon, and will create space. -
@shadowtrooper you'd think Gardner would go with his instincts which are the SH rules/interpretations I expect, but as someone said above, he is likely gun shy after being thrown under the bus in the French series.
I think it warrants and off-field YC at least, in Super rugby that would have attracted a YC, and an over judicious ref, or TMO a RC.
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Well i must be alone here because IMO the game is dead if that tackle is a penalty let alone yellow let alone fucking red.
Sure he deserved red and a punch in the face for his reaction afterwards but fuck me if those tackles get you sent off then there are going to be cards at ever ruck and every second phase of play.
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I don't think it was a shoulder charge. He hits with the top of the shoulder, rather than lowering it and hitting with the side/arm.
Just perhaps a penalty for not using arms, but not a card because the only person he was endangering was himself. (A real shoulder charge doesn't leave the tackler reeling.)
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@chester-draws said in England v South Africa:
I don't think it was a shoulder charge. He hits with the top of the shoulder, rather than lowering it and hitting with the side/arm.
Just perhaps a penalty for not using arms, but not a card because the only person he was endangering was himself. (A real shoulder charge doesn't leave the tackler reeling.)
Done badly by a cheap shot merchant it does, as evidenced in the aftermath and the poofball writhing on the floor.
He knew what he was doing, and he knew what he had done. Hence the gamesmanship on the floor.
In the subsequent 'talking to' by Gardner the fist pump by Farrell was 50% 'thank fuck I got away with that' and 50% 'we've won'
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@bovidae yeah Daly played very oddly. He saved SA's skin a few times. Every time he got the ball, the blinkers went on and he didn't even attempt to look for support let alone try and find it. Space out wide, cut back in and die with the ball.
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I don't understand the fuss about the tackle, so he led with the shoulder, but trying to make a dominant tackle you have to lead with the shoulder otherwise you'll break you arm. No way is it a shoulder charge. Seemingly the problem is not the tackle, but how messed up refereeing has become. Nowadays hard tackle on the chest is yellow cards
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@rebound Even if you don't judge it wasn't a shoulder charge and that no contact was made with the opponent's head, it was clearly a high tackle. Penalty at the least. Under World Rugby's directives, right or wrongly, it should have been a straight red card.
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I've watched that gif a few times, i don't reckon it's even high. The only reason his chin hits the shoulder is because his head snaps forward when he gets smashed. Great hit, play on, fuck off World Rugby.
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@mariner4life said in England v South Africa:
I've watched that gif a few times, i don't reckon it's even high. The only reason his chin hits the shoulder is because his head snaps forward when he gets smashed. Great hit, play on, fuck off World Rugby.
No debate that it was good offensuve defence. However by the letter of the law currently, which is what is being debated here, that was a no arms tackle, clearly above the nipple line which at least deserved a penalty.
