Bledisloe I
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@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe I:
Welcome to country is an aboriginal tradition where an elder welcomes visitors to their land .
Doesn’t bother me , actually prefer it to that cheesy waltzing Matilda thing they used to do .
Yeah - sometimes it can be a little "awkward", but I seem to recall some of the people doing it have had a little bit of fun with it. And I'm sure there'll be more entertaining versions of it in the future.
It's certainly less awkward than the thing South Africa has started doing - of bringing some random local "person of some importance", with their heavily, heavily be-jewelled wife, onto the field to shake hands with all the (bemused) players.
Princess Anne doing it for Scotland - I don't mind, but the South-African one seems a little try-hard. -
@kruse said in Bledisloe I:
Yeah - sometimes it can be a little "awkward", but I seem to recall some of the people doing it have had a little bit of fun with it. And I'm sure there'll be more entertaining versions of it in the future.
It's certainly less awkward than the thing South Africa has started doing - of bringing some random local "person of some importance", with their heavily, heavily be-jewelled wife, onto the field to shake hands with all the (bemused) players.
Princess Anne doing it for Scotland - I don't mind, but the South-African one seems a little try-hard.Couldn't agree more - except for the Princess Anne thing.
Just before kick off is NOT the time to introduce players to a VIP, regardless of stature. Why make the world watch and wait??
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@majorrage said in Bledisloe I:
@kruse said in Bledisloe I:
Yeah - sometimes it can be a little "awkward", but I seem to recall some of the people doing it have had a little bit of fun with it. And I'm sure there'll be more entertaining versions of it in the future.
It's certainly less awkward than the thing South Africa has started doing - of bringing some random local "person of some importance", with their heavily, heavily be-jewelled wife, onto the field to shake hands with all the (bemused) players.
Princess Anne doing it for Scotland - I don't mind, but the South-African one seems a little try-hard.Couldn't agree more - except for the Princess Anne thing.
Just before kick off is NOT the time to introduce players to a VIP, regardless of stature. Why make the world watch and wait??
Irish and their dwarf of a president is even worse. Every bloody test match and a red carpet FFS
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@wreck-diver said in Bledisloe I:
@majorrage said in Bledisloe I:
@kruse said in Bledisloe I:
Yeah - sometimes it can be a little "awkward", but I seem to recall some of the people doing it have had a little bit of fun with it. And I'm sure there'll be more entertaining versions of it in the future.
It's certainly less awkward than the thing South Africa has started doing - of bringing some random local "person of some importance", with their heavily, heavily be-jewelled wife, onto the field to shake hands with all the (bemused) players.
Princess Anne doing it for Scotland - I don't mind, but the South-African one seems a little try-hard.Couldn't agree more - except for the Princess Anne thing.
Just before kick off is NOT the time to introduce players to a VIP, regardless of stature. Why make the world watch and wait??
Irish and their dwarf of a president is even worse. Every bloody test match and a red carpet FFS
I think the term you are looking for is Leprechaun.
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@crucial said in Bledisloe I:
Why all the angst about fees for performing something? The anthem singers get paid. The band playing the anthem gets paid.
Surely it is up to the ARU if they want to add this cultural aspect and they enter that decision knowing the cost. I don't get how that makes it any more or less worthwhile.
We have a similar situation with Koha in NZ and when using cultural groups abroad. It may seem at odds to our own traditional concepts around value and money but that doesn't, in itself, make it right or wrong. It is just a situation that has to be worked through so the balance of the act is suitable for all parties. Assuming it is about money grabbing is a one sided view IMO.
I also find it all comes across as awkward but again, that is judging it based on my 'norms'. Oratory is different in different cultures and when you think of it, what has become accepted and normal in NZ around Maori aspects would also probably sound very strange if spoken in English. Repititon of words and 'clunky' phrasing that doesn't sound so awkward simply because it is in another language.The whole point is wasting good money on something that the vast majority of people consider to be something of a farce. Considering their financial woes, the ARU should be county pennies rather than throwing away cash on nonsense like this. Why would that not be something to gripe about?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe I:
The whole point is wasting good money on something that the vast majority of people consider to be something of a farce. Considering their financial woes, the ARU should be county pennies rather than throwing away cash on nonsense like this. Why would that not be something to gripe about?
Hadn't been in agreement with you at all up until this post, which is a fair point.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe I:
@crucial said in Bledisloe I:
Why all the angst about fees for performing something? The anthem singers get paid. The band playing the anthem gets paid.
Surely it is up to the ARU if they want to add this cultural aspect and they enter that decision knowing the cost. I don't get how that makes it any more or less worthwhile.
We have a similar situation with Koha in NZ and when using cultural groups abroad. It may seem at odds to our own traditional concepts around value and money but that doesn't, in itself, make it right or wrong. It is just a situation that has to be worked through so the balance of the act is suitable for all parties. Assuming it is about money grabbing is a one sided view IMO.
I also find it all comes across as awkward but again, that is judging it based on my 'norms'. Oratory is different in different cultures and when you think of it, what has become accepted and normal in NZ around Maori aspects would also probably sound very strange if spoken in English. Repititon of words and 'clunky' phrasing that doesn't sound so awkward simply because it is in another language.The whole point is wasting good money on something that the vast majority of people consider to be something of a farce. Considering their financial woes, the ARU should be county pennies rather than throwing away cash on nonsense like this. Why would that not be something to gripe about?
Fine argument if you also pull it out when they have some has-been singing Waltzing Matilda. Or providing free yellow flags to fans or hotel rooms to ARU free loaders etc etc
Many would also consider that paying the beady eyed captain $6M is a farce as well.
Being selective in what you term 'nonsense' is what is being questioned.
It's their money and they can choose how they spend it, then answer to those that put them in the position to do so. -
Okay - just started rewatching the game - and actually saw/heard that "Welcome To Country" for the first time (watched the game live at shit venue playing shit music throughout the game - no audio)...
... and yeah, can see why that particular one has raised a "debate". Cringeworthy - a guy not used to public speaking, with zero content other than half-arsed metadata about the Welcome-To-Country.
But when done well... it's a harmless nod to the aboriginal culture, in the form which the aborigines have presumably agreed upon as appropriate - regardless of when it was "invented". In a country where such gestures are long overdue.
Where some love to throw out the ubiquitous term "virtue-signalling", as usual - it can also be described as "just being fucking polite/considerate". -
@booboo said in Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe I:
Disappointing lack of histrionics but satisfactory level of lemon sucking face.
TBF Cheika gave class reply when asked about Naholo tackle.
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@hydro11 said in Bledisloe I:
I think the Aussies have to stick with Pocock/Hooper. It gives them something different. Ireland struggled to deal with it big time. They have two locks in their team, no reason they should be losing so much set piece ball. They didn't really play badly last night. Just conceded too many penalties. We win games without ball and field position so when you give it to us, you lose by 25.
For me, they worked well in first 30. Seemed that when Hopper ran out of puff things got a lot easier for us. Of course, that could be just coincidence!
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@crucial said in Bledisloe I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe I:
@crucial said in Bledisloe I:
Why all the angst about fees for performing something? The anthem singers get paid. The band playing the anthem gets paid.
Surely it is up to the ARU if they want to add this cultural aspect and they enter that decision knowing the cost. I don't get how that makes it any more or less worthwhile.
We have a similar situation with Koha in NZ and when using cultural groups abroad. It may seem at odds to our own traditional concepts around value and money but that doesn't, in itself, make it right or wrong. It is just a situation that has to be worked through so the balance of the act is suitable for all parties. Assuming it is about money grabbing is a one sided view IMO.
I also find it all comes across as awkward but again, that is judging it based on my 'norms'. Oratory is different in different cultures and when you think of it, what has become accepted and normal in NZ around Maori aspects would also probably sound very strange if spoken in English. Repititon of words and 'clunky' phrasing that doesn't sound so awkward simply because it is in another language.The whole point is wasting good money on something that the vast majority of people consider to be something of a farce. Considering their financial woes, the ARU should be county pennies rather than throwing away cash on nonsense like this. Why would that not be something to gripe about?
Fine argument if you also pull it out when they have some has-been singing Waltzing Matilda. Or providing free yellow flags to fans or hotel rooms to ARU free loaders etc etc
Many would also consider that paying the beady eyed captain $6M is a farce as well.
Being selective in what you term 'nonsense' is what is being questioned.
It's their money and they can choose how they spend it, then answer to those that put them in the position to do so.Yes and those are also examples of waste as well. What's your point exactly?
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@kruse said in Bledisloe I:
Okay - just started rewatching the game - and actually saw/heard that "Welcome To Country" for the first time (watched the game live at shit venue playing shit music throughout the game - no audio)...
... and yeah, can see why that particular one has raised a "debate". Cringeworthy - a guy not used to public speaking, with zero content other than half-arsed metadata about the Welcome-To-Country.
But when done well... it's a harmless nod to the aboriginal culture, in the form which the aborigines have presumably agreed upon as appropriate - regardless of when it was "invented". In a country where such gestures are long overdue.
Where some love to throw out the ubiquitous term "virtue-signalling", as usual - it can also be described as "just being fucking polite/considerate".Why is it "long overdue" to have an aboriginal give a speech before a rugby game? What does the plight of Aboriginals have to do with rugby? This is the definition of virtue signalling as much as that term offends you.
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@kruse said in Bledisloe I:
Okay - just started rewatching the game - and actually saw/heard that "Welcome To Country" for the first time (watched the game live at shit venue playing shit music throughout the game - no audio)...
... and yeah, can see why that particular one has raised a "debate". Cringeworthy - a guy not used to public speaking, with zero content other than half-arsed metadata about the Welcome-To-Country.
But when done well... it's a harmless nod to the aboriginal culture, in the form which the aborigines have presumably agreed upon as appropriate - regardless of when it was "invented". In a country where such gestures are long overdue.
Where some love to throw out the ubiquitous term "virtue-signalling", as usual - it can also be described as "just being fucking polite/considerate".I mostly agree, I think it's great that Maori culture has been integral part of the All Blacks, and the Wallabies trying to incorporate their indigenous cultures is good to see - I just don't think "welcome to country" is a great way to celebrate that culture.
I also don't think aborigines have "agreed" to anything, I'd say someone put it forward as an idea that has been used elsewhere and the ARU ran with it. There's lots of ways to incorporate and celebrate culture, an awkward 1 - 2 minute speech is pretty shit really.
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Analysis: The Wallabies busted 'catfish' play that changed Bledisloe Game I
Moments later, Beauden Barrett would score to stretch the All Blacks lead to 19-6 and the try would be a catalyst for a Wallabies collapse. This pivotal moment changed the game, so what went so wrong for the Wallabies?
I wish I could so easily pick up this stuff!
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Interesting little analysis.
The main difference i could see was how much better the AB defense was than the Chiefs. No one in Black committed to anything until the play unfolded. And most importantly they kept their line flat at all times. For the Chiefs that one guy is 2m ahead of everyone, leaving a hole no matter what he does, and then the inside defender bites hard on the lead runner, rather than sliding off.
Yes the Wallaby set up was everything they describe, narrow, and deep. But the ABs stayed flat the whole time, and allowed the play to unfold. The scrum also meant they were numbered up, rather than marking that forward coming back on the cut, and still having 3 guys out the back to worry about, and more field.
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@Machpants @mariner4life Yeah an interesting summation. Ironic isn't it? Given that the Aussies have traditionally been "clever" in the backs.
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@catogrande said in Bledisloe I:
@Machpants @mariner4life Yeah an interesting summation. Ironic isn't it? Given that the Aussies have traditionally been "clever" in the backs.
That stereotype is as outdated as French Flair
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@machpants the colours in the photo are a bit whack. Goodhue playing in Navy blue and the Aussies in Lemon
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe I:
@catogrande said in Bledisloe I:
@Machpants @mariner4life Yeah an interesting summation. Ironic isn't it? Given that the Aussies have traditionally been "clever" in the backs.
That stereotype is as outdated as French Flair
Sacre Bleu!
