Crusaders vs Waratahs
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@nta said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@canefan the blindside AR should be looking at the last breakdown for foul play i.e. where the ball was
The openside AR will be watching offside lines generally, and getting a lead on the potential try scoring - so where the ball will be.
I don't think either bloke is looking for a guy running that far out of the line to cause obstruction.
But the TMO has definitely clocked off there
At that moment TMO must have been bending down to pick the hotdog he dropped
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@canefan said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@toddy said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Just watched the video and it's even worse. How the fuck the ref and tmo missed that I've got no idea. Worst bit of reffing this season so far.
The ref is watching the Saders backline which were quite deep, Moody was way up in front when he hit Beale. I could almost excuse the ref for not seeing it out of his field of view, but where the fark were the assistant refs and if they can't see that what are they doing there?
Yes. That was really poor, but not particularly by the ref. He has one set of eyes and things get missed in real time, especially now that lawmakers let the 14 other non-ball carriers theoretically produce 14 immaterial offences.
It's the TMO, that must have been replayed a few times? And he missed an obstruction compounded by a forearm.
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@toddy said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@stargazer mate, you are so one eyed you make Canerbry look like a Blues supporter
He’s actually been quite reasonable in his assessment, I think 6 weeks is a fair starting point.
I think you’ve been reading the blues thread and have seen an opportunity to get a few cheap likes by copying the “cool kids”
Pretty pathetic really
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@stargazer I agree with your six weeks comment. But I did enjoy your predictable photo stills jumping to the initial defence of a crusaders player. If only you were so defensive of nz players from other teams.
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@toddy said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@stargazer I agree with your six weeks comment. But I did enjoy your predictable photo stills jumping to the initial defence of a crusaders player. If only you were so defensive of nz players from other teams.
I have defended plenty of players from other teams on the Fern. Maybe you just haven't noticed that because you agreed with what I said on those occasions, or because it wasn't a player from a team you dislike/hate/don't care about?
The only reason I managed to make the stills last night is because of the clip posted on reddit. Someone else posted the link to that clip. I've tried it before with YouTube in other situations, but for some reason I don't succeed in getting good stills from YouTube. I don't think lacking the technology/skills to make stills from YouTube counts as being one-eyed?
Edited to add that I also didn't make the stills of Moody's elbow fend/hit to defend him, but to see what actually happened. The real time clip was way too fast and you couldn't clearly see the point of first contact and whether/where it hit Beale's head. That's what I wanted to see.
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@chris-b said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Fuck you, Joe!
We need to clone Wyatt Crockett.
Loosehead prop who can play lots of minutes without getting broken and without doing ridiculously dumb shit!
However the explanatory calculations run, he'll get two weeks for that.
Wait, are you sure you're talking about Crockett?
Anyway, think of how ready to go Moody will for the Rugby Championship as he'll have barely played.
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@stargazer said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Edited to add that I also didn't make the stills of Moody's elbow fend/hit to defend him, but to see what actually happened. The real time clip was way too fast and you couldn't clearly see the point of first contact and whether/where it hit Beale's head. That's what I wanted to see.
Cheers for those - the video looked horrible, but the stills seem to show it's arm/elbow to chest. Hopefully there are more angles to clarify at the judiciary
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@nzzp said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@stargazer said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Edited to add that I also didn't make the stills of Moody's elbow fend/hit to defend him, but to see what actually happened. The real time clip was way too fast and you couldn't clearly see the point of first contact and whether/where it hit Beale's head. That's what I wanted to see.
Cheers for those - the video looked horrible, but the stills seem to show it's arm/elbow to chest. Hopefully there are more angles to clarify at the judiciary
I’m sure they will use the video though, because it shows the striking and it’s impact. It was an incredibly brain dead thing to do.
He left it to chance whether he hit him in the head, moving target and all that.
Good on Beale for getting straight back up too. If he played dead like an Argentinian that could have been a red card.
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@kirwan said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@nzzp said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@stargazer said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Edited to add that I also didn't make the stills of Moody's elbow fend/hit to defend him, but to see what actually happened. The real time clip was way too fast and you couldn't clearly see the point of first contact and whether/where it hit Beale's head. That's what I wanted to see.
Cheers for those - the video looked horrible, but the stills seem to show it's arm/elbow to chest. Hopefully there are more angles to clarify at the judiciary
I’m sure they will use the video though, because it shows the striking and it’s impact. It was an incredibly brain dead thing to do.
He left it to chance whether he hit him in the head, moving target and all that.
Good on Beale for getting straight back up too. If he played dead like an Argentinian that could have been a red card.
Yes, incredibly reckless & stupid. He's an experienced All Black; no excuses.
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@kirwan said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
I’m sure they will use the video though, because it shows the striking and it’s impact.
Yeah hopefully they stick with the "intent" part of the process, and judge it on that. Its not about the result, but unfortunately too often the consequences of the action are taken into account, rather than the intent of the player.
e.g. "The player was forced to leave the field due to injury so we'll seek a longer sentence" versus "The play got back up straight away so it wasn't that serious - cut 2 weeks off it"
Someone made the comment earlier about Chance Peni on Dagg, but the resulting injury is completely irrelevant IMHO.
If he'd just run interference on Beale (again, several metres ahead of the ball), he'd probably be fine. Raising the forearm is where the stupid happens, and shows his intent was more than just a bit of niggle.
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@tim said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Waratahs should be extremely pissed off by that.
Irritated, but if we're honest, that's not the reason we lost a game we should have won. We went away from what was working for us in the first half.
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@nepia said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@chris-b said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Fuck you, Joe!
We need to clone Wyatt Crockett.
Loosehead prop who can play lots of minutes without getting broken and without doing ridiculously dumb shit!
However the explanatory calculations run, he'll get two weeks for that.
Wait, are you sure you're talking about Crockett?
When Chris B said that I was immediately thinking of Crockett injuring himself in the last RWC with his flying elbow ruck clean out.
