All Blacks v Pumas
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
sub him for who? Often Ardie is the loosie bench.
Well I wouldn't have Ardie in the squad..
Finishing a match with some of these combos when Read is having one of his flat games would be useful
Cane/Squire/Kaino
Cane/Squire/Fafita
Cane/Ioane/Squire etc etcNo serious options for replacing him as a starter but there are options for subbing beyond just Ardie
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
were questions over McCaws leadership early on in his stint as Captain.
Very few over his actual form though, and that's the key.
I watch what Whitelock does for the Crusaders compared to what Read does for the All Blacks and I would have Whitelock over Read in a heartbeat.
I still think Read is a great player but a bit of a hopeless captain.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
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@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling errors all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
You can flip flop with the best! Ever thought of running for office? 😉
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
Nope, that's an argument for someone else...
I'm a supporter of Barrett and want him to remain at 10. I was questioning your definiton of controlling the game
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@taniwharugby Baaaaahahaha. That's one way to shut up the knockers....
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
Reminiscent of my favourite Hooroo line:
Oh no, I'm against everything I stand for
Islington Pool hall with you, Mrs Duluth and Dodge! I remember it vividly despite the amount that must have been consumed. I kind of forget what I was against though for me to change my tune. (Don't elborate on here)
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
Nope, that's an argument for someone else...
I'm a supporter of Barrett and want him to remain at 10. I was questioning your definiton of controlling the game
That's not my definition. Not in the slightest. It just seems to be what people say when goal kicks are missed rather than anything different actually happening in general play.
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I think we are going through an interesting phase ,
Still a bloody good side , so its not doom and gloom by any means ,
But since the game in chicago , there has been a bit of vulnerability about us that hasnt been there for some time ,
I believe the McCaw led side with Nonu and Smith in the midfield would have put the lions away 3-0
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@kiwiinmelb and Carter at 10
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Don't forget Woody at 1 for the teabags
I'm not reading too much into the Lions results. Hell this team should have beaten them 3-0.
Lost 2nd test because ref gave a technical penalty
Drew 3rd test because ref didn't give a technical penalty
What with injuries, unavailabilities etc it was simply a case of the starts aligning for the Lions
I'm more concerned that last year was the exception and we are now realizing how hard it is to replace legends and as has been said the standard of the Rugby Championship has been poor. Apart from Wales in Dunedin Italy and Lions 1 all of our games against NH opposition since 2015 have been arm wrestles. Not so against the Sthn nations.
All of the various defections means our bench is not the force it was but the thing is we are still winning - in the main. Not bad for a period of rebuilding. Still the frisson of uncertainty is back ahead of almost every test we play now which on balance is a good thing - as long as we ultimately prevail!
