All Blacks v Pumas
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I think Read had been in good form, yes it has been indifferent in recent weeks and I guess you could say this has trickled on to everyone else, or is the indifferent form of others affecting him...
If you took the Captaincy off Read, is his position in the team really in danger?
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I wonder whether a lot of our guys have just had too much hard rugby this year.
Endless Super derbies, Lions tour, multiple trips to SA and elsewhere, Super play-offs and now TRC.
Under Toddy, I reckon it was pretty apparent than many of the Crusaders' ABs paced themselves. This year Razor has got them to go hard out through most of the season and couple of them are probably showing it. People like Retallick and Cane have played lots of minutes for the Chiefs and Beauden and several others for the Canes.
Can't be at peak form all year - plus we're missing a few of the top team, especially last weekend.
Nonetheless, agree with some of the comments and criticisms - we haven't really been in vintage form.
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Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
If you took the Captaincy off Read, is his position in the team really in danger?
Starting position? No
But he isn't the player he was 3-4 years ago and he should be getting subbed more often.
Whitelock you want on the field for 80mins as much as possible
I can't imagine Hansen making such a big change though
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@Duluth sub him for who? Often Ardie is the loosie bench.
Think we are struggling a bit form-wise, depth isn't as great in some positions, more width I think.
Not trying to defend him, just not sure on options.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
sub him for who? Often Ardie is the loosie bench.
Well I wouldn't have Ardie in the squad..
Finishing a match with some of these combos when Read is having one of his flat games would be useful
Cane/Squire/Kaino
Cane/Squire/Fafita
Cane/Ioane/Squire etc etcNo serious options for replacing him as a starter but there are options for subbing beyond just Ardie
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
were questions over McCaws leadership early on in his stint as Captain.
Very few over his actual form though, and that's the key.
I watch what Whitelock does for the Crusaders compared to what Read does for the All Blacks and I would have Whitelock over Read in a heartbeat.
I still think Read is a great player but a bit of a hopeless captain.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
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@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling errors all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
You can flip flop with the best! Ever thought of running for office? 😉
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
Nope, that's an argument for someone else...
I'm a supporter of Barrett and want him to remain at 10. I was questioning your definiton of controlling the game
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@taniwharugby Baaaaahahaha. That's one way to shut up the knockers....
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
Reminiscent of my favourite Hooroo line:
Oh no, I'm against everything I stand for
Islington Pool hall with you, Mrs Duluth and Dodge! I remember it vividly despite the amount that must have been consumed. I kind of forget what I was against though for me to change my tune. (Don't elborate on here)
