Bledisloe 2
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.
edit, ahh nevermind
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
Thought the wallabies did very well to stay square and straight at scrum time.
Just because the AB scrum was going forward doesn't mean we should be getting a whole bunch of penalties.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.No one has said you have to sit motionless have they? Don't hate him, in person he might be a great bloke to have a beer with but he comes across as a complete and utter cock as a coach.
I very much doubt that Woodward is someone I could have a beer with though, still don't hate him.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
Which they weren't
In the opinion of the ref, they were
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title WITH THE HELP OF POOR REFFING FROM JOUBERT so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.If only he was so animated for correct refereeing during that final call on Richie aye
I don't mind a bit of reaction that is only natural during a contest, but every call?
Yep. No crime in getting pissed off if the call is really poor. But he loses his shit over everything. As someone who continually complains about poor treatment by the refs, he's benefited at the most vital times from poor decisions. It was an absolute howler that saved him from a humiliating RWC QF exit. Imagine how he'd react if he was the end of a Barnes or Garcia's type shocker? He'd probably have to be physically restrained.
I see nothing refreshing or funny with his antics. Funny how those that do also think the same way about guys like Kyrios. If grown men acting like petulant, spoiled children is your thing then fair play to you. I'm just glad no AB coach acts like that.
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@infidel said in Bledisloe 2:
How did the don't boo the kicker campaign go, from someone at the ground?
Maybe Foley was a bit rattled in the silence?
Foley was rattled by being in a team in the lead. Not something he gets to experience much with the Waratahs
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Quoting myself and updating ...
@booboo said in Bledisloe I:
The Clown: 19 wins 17 losses 52.77%
McKenzie: 11, 10, 1 draw 52.3%
Dingo: 43, 29, 2, 59.2%
Knuckles: 16, 8, 1, 66%
Steady: 33, 23, 1, 58.8%
McQueen: 34, 8, 1, 80.2%
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
Quoting myself and updating ...
@booboo said in Bledisloe I:
The Clown: 19 wins 17 losses 52.77%
McKenzie: 11, 10, 1 draw 52.3%
Dingo: 43, 29, 2, 59.2%
Knuckles: 16, 8, 1, 66%
Steady: 33, 23, 1, 58.8%
McQueen: 34, 8, 1, 80.2%
Smith: 12, 7, 0, 63.2%So if they drop their next test (vs SA in Perth) then Cheika will have the worst coaching record in the pro Australian era.
Fuck yes.
Would love to see that stat dropped in the presser afterwards.
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Now watched the game. Saw this from Spiros. Sums up most of my views: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/08/28/spiro-the-real-aussie-winner-on-saturday-was-sydney-club-rugby/
I quite like MC's passion in the box. At the pressers he needs to learn not to lead with his chin.
One of my mates reckons shifty knees going into every AB the Wobblies thought had strayed into the wrong side near rucks. Didn't notice it myself.
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I don't mind coaches being passionate. As someone else mentioned Meyer was entertaining to watch. Difference with Cheika is that he doesn't get excited at the good things his team are doing or get upset when they make a mistake. His 'passion' is solely directed at the on field decision making and that makes him look like a football manager or basketball coach. I'd like to think rugby is better than that.
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Good read from the UK telegraph:
No coverage like this in Aotearoa
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
Difference with Cheika is that he doesn't get excited at the good things his team are doing or get upset when they make a mistake. His 'passion' is solely directed at the on field decision making
I'd like to see if that holds true for the whole game. Let's remember that the OB director is solely responsible for what we get to see of Cheika in the box.
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Good read from the UK telegraph:
No coverage like this in Aotearoa
Spot on
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't mind coaches being passionate. As someone else mentioned Meyer was entertaining to watch. Difference with Cheika is that he doesn't get excited at the good things his team are doing or get upset when they make a mistake. His 'passion' is solely directed at the on field decision making and that makes him look like a football manager or basketball coach. I'd like to think rugby is better than that.
Nah, he celebrates - just hasn't had a great deal to celebrate against us. And he was going off his head at Foley missing kicks too.
I think his antics re decision making are way over the top and strongly dislike them.
Hansen takes it a bit too far into dead fish territory, often hard to tell if he's even awake -but I much prefer that approach to histrionics. -
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Good read from the UK telegraph:
No coverage like this in Aotearoa
Great piece of analysis!
Have to say that, on reflection, I expect it was a rehearsed Lions tactic to disrupt such restarts. I imagine their homework had identified just how dangerous ABs are from such plays.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't mind coaches being passionate. As someone else mentioned Meyer was entertaining to watch. Difference with Cheika is that he doesn't get excited at the good things his team are doing or get upset when they make a mistake. His 'passion' is solely directed at the on field decision making and that makes him look like a football manager or basketball coach. I'd like to think rugby is better than that.
Well, he is an Aussie after all!
My gripe is more that it's not helpful for his team's chances. Better would be something like, 'Disappointed because I thought we did enough to win. But very proud of the team. It's a young bunch of men and if we keep playing like that the wins will come'.
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