All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Latest theory doing the rounds was that Read was in front of Barrett at the kick off and therefore offside. This has been backed up by a video with Read not in shot!
In years gone past refs were hot on players in front of the kicker at restarts, but go and watch pretty much any game these days and there is someone just in front of the kicker, is all trying to get that little advantages and pushing the ref.
Similarly, hookers feet on the line when throwing in, something refs used to police, but do not any longer (didn't this deny Fox a try too)
Welcome to the old moaning farts club. There's a self-help group near you most days. it's called "The Pub".
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Irrespective of whether Read was in front - that wasn't what the officials looked at / for. Recidivist poring over video doesn't alter the fact that the two Frogs were wrong in what they did.
We all know that if we want to review everything ad nauseum almost every play will be blown up because generally somewhere someone is infringing in some way.
We already have a stop start bastardised super slo mo version of the game in North America. We don't need to replicate the worst aspects of that game in rugby. Unfortunately there is a growing trend to do just that.
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
A bit harsh calling them gutless little pricks. They do it because if they get something wrong they get crucified in social media and by the general media. Until we fans accept mistakes are going to be made, and not go postal when they are, the video checking is not going to stop.
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@Crazy-Horse What rattles my cage is the fact that the majority call for a review even when there is zero ZERO chance that anything has occurred that will cancel out the try
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Latest theory doing the rounds was that Read was in front of Barrett at the kick off and therefore offside. This has been backed up by a video with Read not in shot!
Faster than the speed of light, more powerful than a......
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
A bit harsh calling them gutless little pricks. They do it because if they get something wrong they get crucified in social media and by the general media. Until we fans accept mistakes are going to be made, and not go postal when they are, the video checking is not going to stop.
If that's the reason they check it, then they are in the wrong profession.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
A bit harsh calling them gutless little pricks. They do it because if they get something wrong they get crucified in social media and by the general media. Until we fans accept mistakes are going to be made, and not go postal when they are, the video checking is not going to stop.
Yep, when Gardner went the other way in the Reds vs Canes game he made the wrong call 4 times.
IIRC they don't replay stuff on the big screens in soccer matches (perhaps some cricket stadiums as well?). I think it's time they do that it rugby now. It's starting to kill the game. Despite the appalling Poite fuck up we can get on with our lives just fine. I'd rather the odd howler than every game being stop-started like a farking video game to check whether a toe might have been in touch 25 phases back.
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Thanks
Edit: Bugger. The sarky comment I left earlier got lost. I meant to say Thanks. Mutter under breath, condescending bastard.
I disagree.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
A bit harsh calling them gutless little pricks. They do it because if they get something wrong they get crucified in social media and by the general media. Until we fans accept mistakes are going to be made, and not go postal when they are, the video checking is not going to stop.
If that's the reason they check it, then they are in the wrong profession.
In an ideal world perhaps, but they are humans not robots. I bet none of them want to be in the middle of a media shit storm.
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@Crazy-Horse probably more of a media storm now than if the call had been left as it was called originally?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
A bit harsh calling them gutless little pricks. They do it because if they get something wrong they get crucified in social media and by the general media. Until we fans accept mistakes are going to be made, and not go postal when they are, the video checking is not going to stop.
If that's the reason they check it, then they are in the wrong profession.
In an ideal world perhaps, but they are humans not robots. I bet none of them want to be in the middle of a media shit storm.
I see you've never heard of Wayne Barnes. That's his bread and butter.
@taniwharugby we'll never know but I'm sure the uproar if that had remained a penalty would've been deafening. We most likely wouldn't have seen Poite/Garces in the RC that's for sure. Even as it stands we've got Plonkers coming out with stills of Reads knock on and clips of Read being offside not featuring Read. Imagine the shitstorm if Barrett had managed win it for us on a correct penalty.
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@Bones haha yeah I guess so, I still remember the whole dummy runners storm in 2002 I think it was, had a workmate in the UK that had admitted he knew little about rugby but proceeded to tell me what we were doing was cheating, another of Woodwards master strokes....
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@taniwharugby I agree but I am saying why I think refs generally tend to go to the video ref rather than make the call themselves in real time. I wasn't talking specifically about the call on the weekend.
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@Crazy-Horse How much is a professional ref paid? I agree with off-escalope. Not having the courage to rule on straightforward decisions is a blight on the game
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@dogmeat don't know how much refs are paid and not sure it is relevant. We have seen it in other sports, if the onus is on the official to decide what gets reviewed we see officials going upstairs more than people think they should. Tennis and cricket have it right in my opinion with the challange system. Umpires are not too scared to make a decision and the pressure is placed back on the players not to waste a review.
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While refs not making big calls may be a 'blight on the game', I'd argue it's because of a far bigger blight on the game - the carry on by media and fans after a ref gets it wrong. Craig Joubert is a prime example. He made a huge call in the 2015 QF, and while it was incorrect it was not a howler. The outcry from commentators, journalists and ex-players was frankly appalling. The bloke became a pariah and he hasn't been seen in big international matches since.
So now you see a risk averse approach in the big moments. After seeing what happened to Joubert, can you blame them?
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@barbarian said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
While refs not making big calls may be a 'blight on the game', I'd argue it's because of a far bigger blight on the game - the carry on by media and fans after a ref gets it wrong. Craig Joubert is a prime example. He made a huge call in the 2015 QF, and while it was incorrect it was not a howler. The outcry from commentators, journalists and ex-players was frankly appalling. The bloke became a pariah and he hasn't been seen in big international matches since.
So now you see a risk averse approach in the big moments. After seeing what happened to Joubert, can you blame them?
yep, this (i say, without irony given some of my posts in this thread). And it all starts with the game day commentators who pour over super slow-motion footage, often from angles the ref can't even see, and make disparaging comments (fuck you Marshall) about decision and call teams "hard done by".
And it snowballs from there.
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@barbarian Joubert hasn't been seen in big international matches because he chose to go ref in the 7s.
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