All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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the ref issue is an interesting one, if you criticise the ref you are a whinger and even when they have a howler you cant call them on it, yet we can blast players and coaches for thier errors.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Davies has been stand out Lion in my mind.
Peaked to perfection after an average (for him) season
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 Can't afford Woodstocks?
Na thats for scumbags from Upper Hutt
Cody's here in UH thanks very much! Haha.
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@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
World rugby's biggest game advertisement in the fallow years between world cups and is influenced by an insecure refereeing system but the gin swillers will be reminding themselves "controversy lasts far longer in the advertiser's eye than a pure spectacle, and think of the clicks we'll get!"
Even the perpetrator knew he was offside playing at the ball!
Still our beloved team only really have themselves to blame
Taking nothing away from the Lions who will take more pride than us over the drawn series.
It was a great series and none of us predicted it thus.
one question though:
Did it feel lucky to draw that?
honest question from an unquestionably biased kiwi
edit: The question was aimed at Lions supporters (lest I lose my arrogance)
Honest answer? Yeah we were lucky in the end. Lucky on a couple of counts, firstly in that for much of the match we were outplayed and only some uncharacteristic balls ups from NZ kept us in the game. Later on we got nearer to parity and if you're there or thereabouts with 10 minutes to go you have to feel that you have a chance of nicking the game. So lucky but dissatisfied. Secondly the non penalty. I did think is was sort of accidental at least instinctive rather than deliberate, but to me it was definitely a penalty. Whether or not Barret would have slotted the kick is another matter and if he hadn't then you lot would just have had something else to make you spew
We rode our luck over two tests and overall the better team did not win, but that's the beauty of sport. Winning great but you watch because of the uncertainty.
Gatland's legacy will go down as a two-time undefeated Lions head coach (a fact he has reminded us of a couple of times already) but in truth this time round he was very lucky. There was no cunning master plan to out-coach NZ. Fair play to him in Australia four years ago, he got that last game spot on though.
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@Rugger-Quizzes said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 Can't afford Woodstocks?
Na thats for scumbags from Upper Hutt
Cody's here in UH thanks very much! Haha.
Guaranteed winner at the Tote on a Fridee night.
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@Catogrande Good post - and I'd much rather be spewing at Barrett for missing than feeling how I am now TBH.
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@Catogrande I agree with everything you say but I think Gatland or someone , deserves some credit for their defensive system ,
And you did have your moments in attack , and probably scored the try of the series ....... who wouldve thought ?
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@mariner4life perhaps Winger is TJ's media guy....
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I'm 2 days late reading this thread so I'll only make a few comments.
I was high up in the stands in the corner where Jordie scored so had a good view of the other chances at the same end of the ground. Both BB and Laumape could have also scored tries as they were in gaps but fumbled under some defensive pressure. But no excuses for Savea - that was a definite try if he had caught the bloody ball. As many have said, if we had taken 1 or 2 of those chances the ABs would be well ahead at HT and in control of the game, as the Lions were never going to score multiple tries.
The thing I was most pissed off about was that the officials let the Lions slow the game down all the time as not all the injuries seemed to be genuine. It was like watching a RL game when the support staff run onto the field at every opportunity. Read should have spoken to Poite about this too.
Now for something about the Lions tour in general. I picked my father up from the airport earlier in the day as he had been working in Europe and was going to the game with me. He travelled back to NZ via London and was sitting next to a guy who was flying into Auckland to attend the 3rd test and flying back to the UK the following day - that's dedication. And at the test there was a South African guy (wearing his Bok colours) next to me who also flew to NZ especially for the game. That is what makes these tours unique so long may they continue.
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it seems to me that the 1st half of game 3 was very similar to the 1st half of game 1, except in reverse - we created opportunities and didn't finish - just as the lions did first up. i think the scoreline of game 1 flattered us due to their missed opportunities, game 2 we were lucky to be as close as we were due to their giving away so many soft penalties while a man up, and game 3 the scoreline flattered them.
the decisions to end games 2 and 3 were kind of opposites. game 2 was letter of the law correct, but awful in terms of how the game should be. game 3 was letter of the law incorrect, but that would be a shit way to win a game - and while he caught it, i don't think the guy was deliberately playing at it, it was just a reflex thing. i don't have a huge problem with either decision - can suck something up if it is letter of the law even though i disagree with the law, and can suck something up if it's letter of the law wrong but in the spirit of the game... bit galling to be on the wrong end of both situations, and a bit stink to have them deciding games, but ah well - game 2 we didn't deserve to be that close, and we had plenty of opportunities to take game 3 out of reach and didn't finish. overall just a great tour - great to see the improvement in the lions with each game and more time spent together - and great to see how our guys reacted to our depth and resolve being tested with both the 14 man game and all the injuries.our guys:
how good is it to have the real aaron smith back?
perenara looked to have turned the corner last year, now seems to have turned it back.
jordie did well, as did laumape - but we still missed ben smith and crotty badly i think.
our locks are just awesome.
dagg was really good.
rieko is a hell of a talent, but needs to go looking for work when the game isn't going his way.
ALB a bit disappointing i guess, but not awful or anything.
SBW - enough said about that already. his decision cost us.
didn't get the same impact from our bench as usual - backline became too disjointed and too many guys looking to be the individual hero. forward impact i think was diminished purely because when you put wales england ireland and scotland together, their bench depth is pretty damn useful too, and evened us out.
taylor - did really well around the park, but the lineouts were a clear step down. lucky for us their bloke was making errors too so that evened out.
beauden - they looked after him pretty well really, but he still played okay mostly. i hate kicking the ball away on attack though, and he (and others) were guilty of that several times.their guys:
all the forwards were pretty damn good, and all the damn tough loosies particularly. murray is very good. davies was really superb, probably man of the series from either team i think - i hadn't really seen that much of him previously, but he is all class. the outside backs (like ours except dagg) were patchy, as were sexton/farrell, but they all hung in there. the commitment from all the lions was bloody great to see, and warburton is an impressive fella i reckon. gatland is a very, very good coach too, despite the amount of crap he gets on here.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
Yes, he played it. After it hit him on the shoulder is what Poite said.
You do realise what you're saying right? That's hilarious. It's not a penalty because it hit him on the shoulder. He only played it after that, so no penalty. Duh, he played it! It didn't bounce off his shoulder and he let it go right? He caught it. Brilliantly Irish.
You do understand the difference between me giving my own view of events and reporting what Poite said?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
The thing I was most pissed off about was that the officials let the Lions slow the game down all the time as not all the injuries seemed to be genuine. It was like watching a RL game when the support staff run onto the field at every opportunity. Read should have spoken to Poite about this too.
I noticed Poite was doing his best to move the Lions forwards to the lineout when they would go into a huddle - but unless he takes action and awards a free kick against them or whatever, then they paid very little attention. Certainly the second half was very much stop start which I'm sure was deliberate as the first half was played way too fast for the Lions pack - you could see it on their faces after 20 minutes that they were just hanging on. And the tactic definitely worked, the second half was totally different.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I hate halfbacks passing into a player to milk a penalty, IMO is is against the spirit of the game given most of the time they don't need to, I don't recall Smiths one alluded to above (but know he does it too) but I was fuming at Murray's one, was pathetic (as are many like that)
I can't say for sure but I reckon a ref like Owens wouldn't have given that - Webb had clear passage to clear the ball and went out of his way to be impeded.
