All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
SBW banned for 4 weeks.
Can't argue with it. Reckless is right, not probably intentional, but stupid.
Sums up some decisions at times. Lack of rugby nous. More widespread than just him to be fair (Codie - I'm looking at you, son)
Also:
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if he was available, I'd pick him next weekend.
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will be interesting to see how SOB goes with the judiciary.
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I'm still pissed about Piers Francis being concussed in South Africa and nothing being done. Consistency? My farking arse.
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Yes, I'm trying to derail the thread. Fark you bastards, I'm projecting
You mean "nothing being done during the game", I assume? Because Treeby was cited and received a 3 week suspension.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
yea cant really complain about that, did they give him any discounts for pleading guilty, mitigating circumstances, dressing in a nice suit?
I don't think the decision has been published yet. From what I've seen online, the judicial hearing took three hours, but no further details.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
yea cant really complain about that, did they give him any discounts for pleading guilty, mitigating circumstances, dressing in a nice suit?
They gave him an extra 2 weeks for callously not sending an apology via twitter. Amateur stuff really from Sonny Bill.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
yea cant really complain about that, did they give him any discounts for pleading guilty, mitigating circumstances, dressing in a nice suit with a silver fern on it?
Fixed
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@KiwiPie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones I'm pretty sure that if BB had been hurt in that challenge, it would have been acted upon much differently.
Yeah it's funny how people are saying it's not as bad as it appeared to just glance. Vunipola is very lucky Barrett was half up and almost rolling back already, not moving towards him like SBW/Watson.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@KiwiPie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones I'm pretty sure that if BB had been hurt in that challenge, it would have been acted upon much differently.
Yeah it's funny how people are saying it's not as bad as it appeared to just glance. Vunipola is very lucky Barrett was half up and almost rolling back already, not moving towards him like SBW/Watson.
I find it difficult to see how anyone can argue that he did not have intent. As you say Bones he was trying to knock BB's block off and Vunipola was lucky he mistimed his hit
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Unless there's another deluge and Laumape has an SBW brain fart and gets sent the abs should win this pretty comfortably. Despite some hyperventilating here, they were bloody close to winning with 1 player down for most of the game. That's an astonishing effort in itself.
I've generally been against selecting Jordie, but his ability under the highball might outweigh his other deficiencies. I'm not sure about him being kicker. He's good, but not THAT good.
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SBW should have got character references from the PM and Hilary Barry
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The injuries in the backline are an issue, but the bigger challenge is how to play the Lions' offside defence. That there were no cards for deliberate offside on Saturday night beggars belief. At one point, Itoje was standing in the AB backline at a lineout, preventing Smith clearing the ball.
As for Barrett's kicking, memories are short. The previous week in Auckland he was getting fan notices for kicking it accurately from everywhere. He's a class act and one semi-off night doesn[t change that.
The one player whose abscence I think has had a real effect is Ben Smith. He provides the leadership in the backs that Read delivers so reliably through the forwards. Just his being there gives Barrett confidence and makes the Opposition think twice about kicking it deep. So juggling things around to make way for Jordie Barrett in a game of this magnitude makes no sense at all.
It seems they'll bring in the more experience Fekitoa as a straight swap for SBW and leave Laumape on the bench. I'd also give the night off to Cruden, who seems to be trying too hard and call up the more reliable Sopoga. With Naholo cleared, you have a few Highlander combinations together.
The first test strategy of keeping it tight through the forwards and exploiting the blind side as much as possible worked well. The rush/offside defence is a pain in the arse, but there's no reason Hansen can't do a Gatland and get in the ref's ear beforehand. Insist on cards if players continue to infringe.
The Lions are winning by playing a spoiling strategy, slowing play down at setpiece, putting in the biff, infringing constantly in their own half and showing they are happy to let the ABs collect points by three. If that's the way the Northern Hemisphere wants rugby to be played, good for them.
But I would dearly love the ABs to run them ragged next weekend, playing and winning with the precision, confidence and flair that makes the biggest draw card in world rugby.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@akan004 talking to some cantabs at the airport who reckoned they were mates with his olds and they reckoned crotty gonna be good to go.. hansen doesnt normally talk shit tho
My bad. I misheard what Hansen said. Just watched it again and he didn't confirm that Crotty was out (just said he was injured).
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SBW about the decision on his suspension:
"They've come to the conclusion that it was reckless, it wasn't intentional. I've got in contact with Anthony and I've apologised to him, but very disappointed that I was sent from the field last night and let my brothers down." A statement said Williams' offence was deemed to be reckless and warranted a mid-range entry level, which provided for a six-week suspension. However, taking into account mitigating factors including his early admission, his disciplinary record, good character and remorse, the six-week suspension was reduced to four. -
What about Reiko - stick with him or give him the night off? Personally I'd put big Jules in there. The Lions' open siders had way too many chances and left wing might be a lonely place defensively with some, let's face it, pretty experienced internationals trying to get Reiko in two minds. Hopefully Jules wants his jumper back enough to put in a big performance. He's due one.
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@MrDenmore Agree on the loss of Ben Smith - quite possibly (IMO) the best all round player in the world. People we couldn't (again IMO) really afford to lose for this series were Owen Franks, Brodie Retallick, Beauden Barrett and Ben Smith, so we've got a problem.
Not sure Fekitoa will immediately come into the team - if they're going to do that then it was a somewhat silly move to leave him out for a start. However, I'd be inclined to put him on the bench - starting Laumape, with Jack Goodhue as back-up, is just a bit too green for me in a massive test.
Otherwise, I don't see Crotty being fit, but it would be great is a miracle is worked.
Under these assumptions, I'd go with:
Smith, Barrett, Ioane, Laumape, ALB, Naholo, Dagg
Perenara, Cruden, Fekitoa
If Naholo isn't fit then Savea to the left wing, Ioane to the right.
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@KiwiPie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
One of the reasons the ABs never got much continuity (and zero tries) was the ridiculous number of infringements by the Lions. It felt like every time the ABs had possession in the Lions half, then there would be a penalty. And a man down and in those conditions, you have to take your penalties. And they were all kickable yet BB missed a couple of sitters. 10 kickable penalties in all - when you see a number like that, you wonder how the Lions were never on a team warning for repeated offences - especially as the offside line seemed to disappear completely at times.
Now you know how the Aussies feel every time they play you bloody cheaters
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
SBW about the decision on his suspension:
"They've come to the conclusion that it was reckless, it wasn't intentional. I've got in contact with Anthony and I've apologised to him, but very disappointed that I was sent from the field last night and let my brothers down." A statement said Williams' offence was deemed to be reckless and warranted a mid-range entry level, which provided for a six-week suspension. However, taking into account mitigating factors including his early admission, his disciplinary record, good character and remorse, the six-week suspension was reduced to four.Can I just point out SBW let his sisters down too
#shoutouttofemalefans
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O'Brien hearing taking a long time.
Judiciary probably feel they need to come up with a ruling that shows consistency but at the same time can see it looks 'less reckless' than SBW.
To me it was just one of those things that happen but under the Head injury directives it is up to that player to take care and swinging an arm while unsighted is hardly taking care.
I'm guessing the outcome of this one won't please anybody.
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@Crucial I've had a few more views of the O'Brien and Vunipola incidents and to me the O'Brien one is something and nothing, just what used to be called a rugby incident. It's fair that there is a citing as there is contact with the head but I don't see it worthy of a sanction. The two Vunipola incidents are a bit different. Late hit on Barrett for the charge down attempt, result penalty and a warning. Spot on for me. Five minutes later the piss poor clear out when on a warning already, Penalty, YC and ought to get cited and couldn't argue with getting some time off.
But this is the judiciary and no-one is ever quite sure how they work, so anything could happen.
