Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@rotated isnt every game the ABs play winnable?
Dont think it was hubris, I think it was trusting in thier squad, they got it wrong, it happens.
I reckon there was some. I think with hindsight they'll eventually admit that - with the distractions of a promotional visit to Chicago included - they didn't dot the i's and cross the t's as well as usual this week. Then lose a third lock and the margin for error is gone.
We can get away with not playing until halftime against Argentina, but a few other teams aren't as forgiving...
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@Stargazer said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Happy for the Irish, they've been waiting for this moment such a long time and where so close a few years ago!
I think you mean were.
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@jegga said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@akan004 said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Bloody Veitchy actually sounds happy that the Abs lost.I get that we have to be happy for the Irish and be gracious in defeat etc, but get this in your thick head Veitch, today is a bad day for All Black rugby.
You have to look at whatever he says in the context of him being a complete and utter cock and as much use to the human race as Anne Franks drum kit.
Anything to get people to listen to your show you woman beating arse licking fuckwit.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Instead I picked Ireland to win by more than 5 at 25/1.
€650!
Fucking boom! What a day for you!
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Kirwan said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Most fans grew up around 2008 when Henry was not sacked in a typical knee jerk fashion, as you describe above.
The more grown up approach has given us two more World Cups, a world record run of victories, etc, etc
It's sport, of course you'll lose the odd game. We generally lose one game a year, this year it's this one.
No need for panic.
I agree with all that BUT if the national mindset becomes "we generally lose one game a year, this year it's this one" then that sows the seed of new/newish players potentially thinking "oh so thats how it works, we lose every so often, back to winning ways next week then, we'll start another winning streak next week, all taken care of, they really do think of everything in this organisation, what a great place to work!"
2 weeks later, no one's assumed responsibility (as we all know in any workplace fuckup, someone's always motherfuckign responsible) and it's "holy shit we fucking lost again? I thought it would get taken care of."
Dont worry, behind closed doors the group will be hurting , nothing surer ,
its up to them to fix it and I believe they will ,
the old heads must roll attitude never actually got us anywhere , we went around in circles
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How the fans react has never been the same as what the players or management react.
Read was hurting big time in his after match comments, doubt he ever wanted to be known as the captain that had the first loss to Ireland.
Every All Black interviewed talked about what they could learn from the game, and how they could improve.
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its interesting how quickly things can turn around in sport ,
it was only a few weeks back , we were looking so comfortable , people were actually complaining it is boring ,
now with a few injuries and a loss , we are under the pump ,
you can never take anything for granted , thinks can change in the blink of an eye
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I wouldn't class the locks selection as hubris, I'd call that conservatism. Not trusting the debutant specialist.
The no-aerial wing, yeah, I'd give you that. Happy to have that lesson re-hammered home, as I love our aerial wingers. (Almost much as I loved our lineout).
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I know anyone after Richie was going to have the biggest shoes ever to fill, but I just don't know about Read as a captain. Great, great player in the past, but sometimes he just seems to go missing. Today in the first half the ABs were running about like headless chooks, and even Read himself was on the end of individual as well as team warnings. Although to be fair, the rest of the leadership team weren't exactly stepping up.
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@Mokey said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
I know anyone after Richie was going to have the biggest shoes ever to fill, but I just don't know about Read as a captain. Great, great player in the past, but sometimes he just seems to go missing. Today in the first half the ABs were running about like headless chooks, and even Read himself was on the end of individual as well as team warnings. Although to be fair, the rest of the leadership team weren't exactly stepping up.
He's been captain for less than a full season, he has lessons to learn just as all past captains have to.
I can think of very shaky moments when McCaw, Tana, Thorne, Blackadder, Taine, even Fitzy.
The key will be how they respond.
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Just saw the highlights. Some of those tries were soft as a bitch.
Full credit to Ireland, they won this and nothing can take that away from them. But damn that looked like a pedestrian farking ab team. Those lapses would have been unthinkable during the RC.
I'm seriously pissed off with this. I think they've been taking the piss a bit in the past few years and now have finally been bitten on the arse.
Teams like Ireland deserve respect. I don't think they showed them much beforehand and paid the price.
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I think the centre pairing of Crotty with Moala is where I started thinking we are taking the Irish too lightly. Crotty would have to be classed as the Creator or playmaker of the 2 and that is hardly his strength. Add that to 2 big wingers (no 2nd fullback role) and it looks like we planned on running through the Irish who are always decent defenders.
ALB would have made alot of difference to that backline to take some pressure off Barratt.
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@reprobate said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
i am gutted about this. you get another chance in 4 years at a world cup, but you never get this record back.
Yeah from that point of view it is a pretty crappy result.
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@jegga said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Well done to the paddies, they joined two pretty exclusive clubs today-they got their first win and put 40 on us which only a few teams have ever managed.
Haven't seen the game, not sure I want to.Have we done a roll call of our Irish regulars? Pot Hale seems ok but I imagine NH fan has a blood alcohol level that would put Boris Yeltsin on his birthday to shame.
We both had our customary two pints and headed home.
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@Crash Agreed - I woke up, remembered, and muttered "Fucking IRELAND" again.
Also - I realised that I have to take my share of the blame... I was drinking Scottish beer, which was probably a little too close to supporting celts. I just didn't bloody think. -
I think that's what I want to hear, that they are hurting. I think it's nice to be humble and acknowledge the Irish but I want them to be hurting and wanting to give the performance of a lifetime in two weeks with the best 23 we can muster.
Two other things I forgot to mention. First game I can remember in years were the All Blaks were thoroughly outplayed at kick-off. Sexton put huge pressure on ABs and ABs never seemed to compete on their kick-offs.
Other problem I have is Savea, he may have two or three sensational moments in a game and he may not. But always seems to have a mixed bag of dropped balls, dying with the ball and being bundled into touch. When he has those top moments Hansen wants to pat him self on the back but when it is the mixed bag of mediocrity we don't hear anything.
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@DMX said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
I think that's what I want to hear, that they are hurting. I think it's nice to be humble and acknowledge the Irish but I want them to be hurting and wanting to give the performance of a lifetime in two weeks with the best 23 we can muster.
Two other things I forgot to mention. First game I can remember in years were the All Blaks were thoroughly outplayed at kick-off. Sexton put huge pressure on ABs and ABs never seemed to compete on their kick-offs.
Other problem I have is Savea, he may have two or three sensational moments in a game and he may not. But always seems to have a mixed bag of dropped balls, dying with the ball and being bundled into touch. When he has those top moments Hansen wants to pat him self on the back but when it is the mixed bag of mediocrity we don't hear anything.
not to mention with the 2 wings we had, we were totally dominated in the air as well, think pretty much every aspect of that game we were outplayed yesterday, some comes down to the players we had out there, some to the errors we made, but mostly cos the Irish played the game of their lives.
