All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@Tim said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Re-watched the intercept try. Diabolically bad play from Ratima. It was quick ball off two very good carries, he wasn't looking at the defence at all. He really had a shocker.
I was thinking the same.
If he had been able to step Itoje, there was nothing in behind. Alternatively he could have taken the hit and then tried to offload to Jordan or a kick pass and no was behind if he executed it right.
Instead he failed to see that Smith has flown forward looking for the incept and took an age about his pass to make his intercept easy.
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Am doing a lot of flying to and from work so had an hour or two to rewatch the downloaded the match. I never rewatch because I just don't have time.
It gave me a real insight into how I hate watch rugby.
I watch the ball, and immediate surrounds, and grumble.
I generally miss a lot of comments by the commentators, and a lot of subtleties in the game, player and Ref comments, stuff off the ball.
So I had the opportunity to look at a few incidents, and listen to what was going on, and came up with a few insights (which many of may already have got but) which I'll share with you below.
First off the ball tackle by Jordie was just bracing for impact.
2nd was dumb by Aumua
3rd by Cane, much the same as Jordie's. Braces himself and CCS runs into him. No wrap, and minimal impact.
What obligation do defenders have to get out of the way of potential ball runners?
ALBs one, at 77 ish mins, was Aumua-esque.
So two out of four penalisable IMO.
Other stuff:
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Comment by Wilson (Sky NZ/Stan feed 13.50 i think) while awaiting scrum is spookily prescient re intercept tries.
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Interesting comments by Gus at 21.29 as to why he didn't call blatantly forward pass Itoje to Spencer. "It might’ve been flat eh? Honestly I couldn't make a definitive call. Positionally I was compromised." Fair enough.
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Can you actually charge a mark? Need to find the law.
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England overhyped a reasonable tackle by CCS.
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Good to see pat on back and encouragement for Sititi after that blown pass to Vaa'i from Cane.
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It was Williams who got in Ratima's road for the intercept.
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Fatima seems like she'll have a long and prosperous career for the ABs according to autocorrect.
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Nisbet and Wilson sewm to be in studio in NZ, not at the ground.
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Ryan being criticised for Movembering. To be fair, it's a good can't effort for day two. May have had a headstart?
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Was that Itoje squealing like a girl at the contact at 49min? My goodness.
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at 52.20 someone (Ardie?) says "watch the sealing Angus".
"Yep"
Next ruck Poms flop over top and seal.
"Sealing!"
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Really liked the old school random chaos of the up and under from the free kick.
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multiple Poms really getting in Angus's face after the CC "deliberate knock on" at 58.49. Quite passive aggressively intimidating.
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Penalty at 61.40 ... ~it's not a penalty if nobody is actually holding the ball, but old mate can't pick it up because he is being driven off it.~ This pissed me off at the time because of the deliberate offside and scramble around on the ground that messed up good ball, with Angus yelling "no no no", a phase or three prior. (Replay may have shown Sititi holding on ... but my point stands ... ). See above about intimidation.
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Re the Rieko no pass (73.55). I reckon he made the right call. ALB would have worn the tackle at the precise moment he caught the ball.
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Probably got away with a fake at the tap kick by Aumua immediately thereafter, but could argue the Poms should have been carded for continuing to offend, professionally, while Angus (again) yells at them ineffectually to stop.
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Just noticed Itoje went in with the boot (to no avail, with no imoact) on Telea's try.
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some interesting conversations on the ref mic I miss watching live, which I haven't noted here.
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@booboo Agree on the tackles off the ball. Aumua's hit was late, which is a different story, but if you're defending in the line against a flat attack with dummy runners, there's really nothing you can do - you either line them up to hit them and can't get out of the way completely if they don't get the ball, or you don't line them up properly and if they get the ball you can't tackle them properly. At the time I thought terrible officiating, and not how the game has been reffed in the past, and probably the poms got in Gardner's ear pre-game for him to do that. I'm generally a fan of his reffing - not so much his decisions as his clear communications - but I thought that overall was one of the poorer games I've seen from him.
I do wonder if you went down the path of throwing the hands in the air immediately the ball is gone and making it super clear that you aren't trying to make a tackle - sort of like a basketball player taking a charge - then what would the ref do? The attacking player without the ball has run into an defending player who is simply holding his ground with force, probably with a shoulder...
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Just saw the ABs IV game. How good is that jersey??? Much better than the ABs.
I'd be asking where the other XI were.
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@Tim said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@kpkanz Absolute bullshit. He was lethal for the ABs last year. What has changed is the coach, and the shithouse attack system. We have gone backwards.
Can't find the stats to confirm it, but it was mentioned RI didn't score a try this Super Season. If correct, what's the story there?
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@mencey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
We have 3 years to get this right.
Sorry but that attitude is a big part of what is wrong with NZ Rugby. We have 6 days to get this right.
Winning 80+% of all our tests, not folding like overcooked pasta and living up to the legacy of 125 years of AB dominance are way more important than a tournament every four years.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Tim said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@kpkanz Absolute bullshit. He was lethal for the ABs last year. What has changed is the coach, and the shithouse attack system. We have gone backwards.
Can't find the stats to confirm it, but it was mentioned RI didn't score a try this Super Season. If correct, what's the story there?
Too busy distributing to Caleb Clarke, AJ Lam and Mark Tele'a for him to be scoring any himself 😁
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Rieko hasn't been in his best form this year. I thought AJ Lam was noticeably better for the Blues at 13.
Rieko was such a natural rugby player that did things instinctively well when he came on the scene as a teenager brimming with confidence. Now he seems to have lost his mojo.
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ok, glad i didn;t read the thread during the game....i pretty much enjoyed it
several players very quiet, others like sititi on fire
i even didnt mind Gardenier, missed stuff...made some baffling calls....but i much prefer when refs just let stuff go, or admit they missed things and say "move on"
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i loved how much we heard from the ref actually, i found the chat quite interesting.
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re ALB head clash tackle near the end .... no issue with it as that is the way it has been reffed for a while now.... however .... if you watched the Scottish game .. the Scottish hooker did the same thing .. and it was penalty only - this inconsistency is the main issue
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
i loved how much we heard from the ref actually, i found the chat quite interesting.
yeah, i didn;t hate it when the commentary got so quiet you could barely hear it and all you had was the ref and the crowd noise
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i realised the commentators are a big part of the reason why i sometimes hate watching sport. Shut the fuck up!
it is not radio fuckheads, i can see what is happening.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
i realised the commentators are a big part of the reason why i sometimes hate watching sport. Shut the fuck up!
it is not radio fuckheads, i can see what is happening.
Commentators of all sports should be made to listen to Richie Benaud on repeat
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literally just stop trying to tell us what any of the players or coaches are thinking or feeling, fuck off trying to explain the rules because your often wrong and no one wants your opinion of if the call was right or not...just tell us who passed to who or who;s tackle sititi has just busted through and otherwise shut up
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One of the convos that would have been interesting was some Pom whinging at Gus who said something like "nah, that was a real ding dong contest, I'm not penalising that" or similar. But for the life of me I couldn't hear what the query was., or the subsequent reply. Was later in 2nd half.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
i realised the commentators are a big part of the reason why i sometimes hate watching sport. Shut the fuck up!
I miss Sky's option of the ref's mic feed only. The banter between the players is also great to listen to. They also need to include the ARs audio. A strong ref will often ignore a lot of what the ARs are saying to them if it is trivial.
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