Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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Yes, any of the above points made by many are fair.
I'm just not of the view that NZRU are totally blameless on it being found Monday & media blowing up about it on Saturday, game day.
If the shoe was on the other foot, we'd be rightly questioning ARU about it - given the lack of a decent explanation.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
Yes, any of the above points made by many are fair.
I'm just not of the view that NZRU are totally blameless on it being found Monday & media blowing up about it on Saturday, game day.
If the shoe was on the other foot, we'd be rightly questioning ARU about it - given the lack of a decent explanation.
Don't you think the plan was to keep it under wraps full stop? They just kept a positive drug test under wraps for two months and would have for longer if it wasn't for Super Rugby season starting. The Smith and Hansen contract extensions were handled very quietly. This isn't a team that has a history of leaking to the media full stop.
I'm pretty sure Paul was the same reporter who wrote the Jane/Weepu story on the morning of the RWC QF. I do not remember the pitchforks being out for him saying he was ruining our chances and killing the mood of the day etc etc.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@rotated In a word, No.
So given that do you think AB management leaked it because -
They thought Aussie management did bug them - and wanted that out in the media. Even knowing that doing so would probably hinder police efforts to find who was ultimately responsible. Remembering the coach is a former police detective.
They didn't think Aussie management had anything to do with it but I guess wanted to paint it as if they did? Or something? I don't know. At that point you would have to reconsider what kind of people Shand/Hansen etc are.
Maybe it's a false choice. But I just don't see how leaking that information on the morning of the game is to NZ's benefit. The news leaking once certain third parties became involved on the Thursday seems much more likely.
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@rotated At what point did I say they leaked it? I said they weren't blameless for it coming out so far after it had been found and, as yet, had not provided a decent explanation for it.
Rightly or wrongly, this thing blew out on the morning of game day. And that's shit for everybody. And NZRU are not 100% innocent about this.
By all means, I'm happy to be corrected if you can point me to a decent source where the NZRU have explained why they found it on Monday and why the media blew up about it on Saturday - game day.
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@MajorRage to be fair all he did was post an article wasn't it?
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@Bones I'm almost 40 and this the internet. Your all the same to me.
(have adjusted accordingly ... )
"You're"
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
So we waited for 4 days for the CEO to arrive to debrief?? In the modern age where everybody has a device which can assist with video calling in their pocket?
I think that this response is worthy of the criticism.
it is criticism they have accepted. If anything they were guilty of trying not to over-react to the situation to keep the focus on the game. They have admitted in hindsight that they should have called the cops early on.
But then, as others have pointed out, would that have changed Pulver's victim mentality? He would have said they were trying to disrupt preparation or take the shine off team announcements or something.
As Gregor Paul explains in that radio interview the only reason it became public on the morning of the test was because that was when he found out and wrote about it. No one leaked anything. He was a journo on site and picked up on something happening. Did his job and sent the story off for publication.By the way, history seems to be being re-written as well. This is a quote from Hansen after the test
"Lots of people are speculating about who's done it and who hasn't and I don't think that's fair because no one knows who's done it and obviously there's plenty of people who could do it," Hansen said.
"So I think until the Inquiry's done by the police, we should sit back and that's it, let them do their job and certainly not speculate on who planted it there because no one knows.
"We certainly don't know."and this is one from Cheika..
"I don't think anyone accused us of putting it there, did they? It's got nothing to do with us," Cheika said.
This was Pulver on match day..
"I'm utterly disappointed the story would break on match day and frankly, that's all I've got to say," Pulver said.
"We are going to focus on a game of rugby that we've got tonight and we will deal with this matter after the rugby.
"I simply don't know the background but I'm clearly disappointed it gets out to the media on the day of a Bledisloe Cup matchThe tune at the infamous clown press conference in NZ was that the Herald are/were in cahoots with NZ Rugby and are their puppets. This has continued to be the narrative inferring that NZRU are using the media to undermine the Wallabies.
If anyone should be angry about bad inferences it should be the All Blacks. They have been accused during a press conference of collusion with the press to attack the Wallabies.
Meanwhile no one in NZ rugby has accused Australian rugby of anything. -
not sure this has been mentioned, but it is not alleged the Security placed the bug, but he misled Police in thier investigation.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11798487
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@rotated At what point did I say they leaked it? I said they weren't blameless for it coming out so far after it had been found and, as yet, had not provided a decent explanation for it.
Rightly or wrongly, this thing blew out on the morning of game day. And that's shit for everybody. And NZRU are not 100% innocent about this.
By all means, I'm happy to be corrected if you can point me to a decent source where the NZRU have explained why they found it on Monday and why the media blew up about it on Saturday - game day.
I guess we are looking at two separate things.
The NZRU are certainly not blameless in the news coming out so far after the event. The obviously didn't want it out until it absolutely had to be - ie arrest and charge weeks/months after the game. Ensuring the news came out at a convinient time for the ARU was probably number 50 on their priority list. Is a prepared statement the Thursday before the game any better? That would have played just as poorly in the Aussie press as if Hansen was playing mind games etc.
The NZRU obviously could have involved the police earlier (and this is likely the crux of the charge against Guard) - however given they didn't find the culprit and the news leaked pretty much as soon as they became involved perhaps they were smart to hold off on that.
The NZRU are completely.
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@taniwharugby am not surprised he was not charged with planting it. I'll quote myself ...
@booboo said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
PS. Surely an unauthorised listening device deserves a greater penalty than "public mischief". Something doesn't quite add up to me.
Two points:
- Why would he mislead the police? This news won't discourage the Aussie tin foil brigade yet.
- Wouldn't "obstructing police" be more appropriate? What the hell is the charge related to?
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my speculation
given it was reported to the Hotel first, maybe they and Gard conducted thier own investigation initially, and advised the ABs against involving the police at that point?
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@booboo said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@rotated said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
The NZRU obviously could have involved the police earlier (and this is likely the crux of the charge against Guard) -
Is that reported or speculation?
Me speculating. Maybe handling the evidence, working with the hotel and conducting his own investigation hindered the police?
Who knows, also this happened in Double Bay and the police force in that area (Rose Bay, Double Bay, Vaulcluse, Point Piper) covers pretty much every celebrity home and houses where overseas celebrities stay in Sydney. So given this guys clientele I'm guessing he is pretty familiar to the local constabulary given the line of work he is. Maybe someone has an axe to grind? Just trying to connect the dots.
Just seems like a tricky case to prosecute when Hansen and the ABs seem 100% behind him.
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