All Blacks v Wales Test #3

hurricane

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="591680" data-time="1466852674">Did the selectors get it wrong not picking moala first up?</blockquote> No Consistency in selection is a hallmark of All Blacks policy over the past gazillion year's. We always respect the incumbents until they stop performing in the test match arena, Fekitoa and Crotty were higher on the pecking order and deserved to start the series. Our selection policies make our players know where they stand and give the players security. Also I thought his performance was mixed. Overall yes he gets an 8 out of 10 and looks promising. But there was a bit of hungus about his play. On his first line break he delayed his pass too long and then the moment was lost. Secondly on his first missed try he should have shovelled it along the line or drawn and passed. My humble opinion only.

ACT Crusader

Months ago we had a thread on here with everyone putting their 23 out there. I had Moala in my 23 based on what I thought was a good performance last year in black, some improvements to his game and other personnel availability and form. 
His Super form however has been up and down. Moved positions a bit and in and out of the starting lineup. 
Tonight he looked sharp and I'm not sure it's because black is a slimming colour, but he looks to have dropped a few kegs around the midsection. 
As for what happens next, well I think he's still on the fringe so to speak. It was after all a 3rd test 'dead rubber'. The Welsh tactics of just kicking us ball really did help spring our boys into attack in broken play. That really wasn't a feature in the first 2 tests as the Welsh tried to keep ball in hand more. 
So I think the coaches will take those factors into consideration when comparing performances of certain players, particularly those on the fringe eg Moala, Tamanivalu, Dixon, Ofa, Squire, TJP.

Billy Tell

Some players take their opportunities, some don't. Moala has played well twice when given an AB chance and he also covers wing. The only midfielder guaranteed selection in the squad is SBW. Crotty, Moala, Seta, Fekitoa, Ngatai, Ioane will be fighting for 3 max 4 more spots. It's what helps keep NZ strong, no token selections.

leytonandamanda

Sbw,ngatai combination I want to see as I think that will be lethal but crotty and moala did well 
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Disgusted of TW

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="591784" data-time="1466856968">Bugger.</blockquote>
 
There's over one million signatures on an online petition to try to overturn the EU referendum. I reckon if they added "rescinding the new contracts offered to Howley and McBryde" to the list of demands, they might get even more signatures.

Bones

Barrett was fantastic, best game in black. Led the team excellently around the track and showed great distance placement kicking from hand. Surprising, but woooo! 
Moala gets a bit lost once he makes a break, which is easily trained. Look to link earlier and find the space. He was very good I thought, handy defence too. 
Still not sold on Crotty...what's with the shitty chip kicks? Mind you wasn't just him. 
Delighted to see Read reemerge, getting back to his psycho body on the line self. The brothers Smith just keep finding another level. Dagg, how about that pace! 
Yay us.

DMX

I still maintain there is little to be gained from a 3rd test and Wales had already checked out. Would far rather have seen ABs play Ireland or England. That said strong display from ABs, And a lot to like. Barrett is bigger and faster than Cruden and it really makes such a difference when he attacks the line or when he is covering at the back, if he keeps his kicking boots he should start imho. Moala had a powerful game though some work ones as far as decision making and distribution go. If he can't force his way in the team at center worth either a spot on the wing or the bench. Sam Cane is a tackling machine but still a way to go mentally, some bad decisions and lack of concentration with hands. Dixon and Squire belong at this level though the gap between Read and everyone else seems massive.

kiwiinmelb

The next year or two is going to be interesting , 
 
While i am more than happy with our depth when everyone is available , 
 
Im no closer , perhaps even more confused to working out what our best backline is ,
 
After the series compared to before

Bones

Oh yeah, Wales were pretty shit too. I don't think we played hugely better than previous games, if at all.

leytonandamanda

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="591871" data-time="1466884547">Oh yeah, Wales were pretty shit too. I don't think we played hugely better than previous games, if at all.</blockquote>
I think it was a much better performance even though Wales were poor. 
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booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="591571" data-time="1466846052">
If Lima had forced that with his legs would it count?</blockquote>
 
No

booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="591574" data-time="1466846175">
I think so. If he had control over the ball and forced it down, then it should be a try. Don't think the rules say you need to score with your hands/arms.</blockquote>
 
Pretty sure the do... or at least did ...

Bones

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="591876" data-time="1466886466">Pretty sure the do... or at least did ...</blockquote>
Above the waist I thought?

booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="591878" data-time="1466887268">
Above the waist I thought?</blockquote>
 
Excluding head. 
Not sure you can score with your back either (i.e., forcing a loose ball)

nzzp

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="591879" data-time="1466887708">
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Excluding head. 
Not sure you can score with your back either (i.e., forcing a loose ball)
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Law 22
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=22'>http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=22</a>
 
There are two ways a player can ground the ball:
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<div style="margin:0px;font-size:14.72px;font-weight:bold;">Player touches the ground with the ball. A player grounds the ball by holding the ball and touching the ground with it, in in-goal. â€˜Holdingâ€™ means holding in the hand or hands, or in the arm or arms. No downward pressure is required.<a class="" href="http://laws.worldrugby.org/content/video_popup_ver6.php?v=laws/2366-grounding">1<img src="http://laws.worldrugby.org/images/elements/video.png" alt="video.png"></a><a class="" href="http://laws.worldrugby.org/content/video_popup_ver6.php?v=laws/2367-grounding">2<img src="http://laws.worldrugby.org/images/elements/video.png" alt="video.png"></a></div>
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<div style="margin:0px 7px 0px 0px;font-size:14.72px;">(b)</div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:14.72px;font-weight:bold;">Player presses down on the ball. A player grounds the ball when it is on the ground in the in-goal and the player presses down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the playerâ€™s body from waist to neck inclusive</div>
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kiwiinmelb

Is it my imagination or does Dagg look leaner ? I always felt the dagg that lost his attacking mojo had bulked up a bit since the early years , he looks quicker and leaner again and the confidence to beat a man on the outside is back

No Quarter

Moala did his chances of taking that bench spot in TRC no harm at all, seems like a great option there. Pace and power for impact and covers 11 - 14. 
I really hope Ngatai finds his feet at international level as I'm super excited about a SBW-Ngatai combo. Otherwise I'd take SBW-Crotty. Still think Fekitoa has a lot of work-ons, seems like exactly the same player as whem he first hit the scene, lots of rough edges.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Disgusted of TW" data-cid="591865" data-time="1466882866">
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There's over one million signatures on an online petition to try to overturn the EU referendum. I reckon if they added "rescinding the new contracts offered to Howley and McBryde" to the list of demands, they might get even more signatures.
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They must have done because now it's 2M

canefan

I'm still rooting for Naholo to come good but I'm not sure putting a guy who is suspected of having tits for hands in the midfield was the best way to showcase his talents

booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="nzzp" data-cid="591881" data-time="1466888247"> 
Law 22 <a class="bbc_url" href="http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=22">http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=22</a> 
There are two ways a player can ground the ball: (a) Player touches the ground with the ball. A player grounds the ball by holding the ball and touching the ground with it, in in-goal. â€˜Holdingâ€™ means holding in the hand or hands, or in the arm or arms. No downward pressure is required.<a class="bbc_url" href="http://laws.worldrugby.org/content/video_popup_ver6.php?v=laws/2366-grounding">1<img src="http://laws.worldrugby.org/images/elements/video.png" alt="video.png"></a><a class="bbc_url" href="http://laws.worldrugby.org/content/video_popup_ver6.php?v=laws/2367-grounding">2<img src="http://laws.worldrugby.org/images/elements/video.png" alt="video.png"></a> (b) Player presses down on the ball. A player grounds the ball when it is on the ground in the in-goal and the player presses down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the playerâ€™s body from waist to neck inclusive</blockquote>
 
Bugger off with your facts and laws. Even though it confirms what I said. Much more fun to speculate wildly based on half forgotten memories...

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v Wales Test #3