All Blacks v Wales Test #3
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<p>Another dead rubber test, I was much happier when we had two tests and a third against someone else.Thenwe could have looked forward to England or Ireland coming. The whole 3 test thing seemed like a copout, extra insurance in case one of the SH teams lose a test.</p>
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<p>I'm glad we get a third game between Ireland and South Africa and Australia and England.</p> -
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<p>I'm glad we get a third game between Ireland and South Africa and Australia and England.</p>
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<p>Any idea why the IRB have decided to bring the three test series back ? they're as rare as an Owen Franks clean break.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589833" data-time="1466374690">
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<p>I don't consider it a dead rubber. We still have a proud 60 year record to protect against Wales.</p>
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<p>Thats exactly my point, two tests is enough, a tied series would still have ended up being a victory for Wales anyway, would be far more interested in a one off test against one of the other nations. That we dont want to lose to Wales is the same as every test match. Out of the last 8 or so 3 test series in the southern hemisphere I think the only non-Lions series going to a decider is Ireland/SA and even that is just giving SA a chance to save face. </p> -
I know there is talk of starting Barrett and moving him out to 14/15 later in the game.<br><br>
I just think his effectiveness at a weapon will be reduced if he's got some miles on the clock instead of hitting the field fresh.<br><br>
Can't see a way of getting Squire in. Would require leaving Ardie or Pat T off the bench reducing it's effectiveness.<br><br>
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<p>Wales finished the last test full of running. They are not a broken side by any stretch of the imagination, and i would imagine the selectors will be putting another full strength side out. </p>
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<p>Have the coaches said anything about Harris being selected ahead of Taylor for the first 2 tests?</p>
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<p>Because unless they have, I think everyone's assumption that Taylor is ahead in the pecking order is a bit premature.</p> -
<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, we have nothing!</p>
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<p>I know there is talk of starting Barrett and moving him out to 14/15 later in the game.<br><br>
I just think his effectiveness at a weapon will be reduced if he's got some miles on the clock instead of hitting the field fresh.<br>
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<p>Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p> -
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<p>Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p>
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<p>I don't know if I follow that line of thinking, he gets to push his case during Super rugby like Five Sopoaga did. If he shows his wares there and convinces the coaches he's the man for the starting 10 role then he'll get some starts.</p> -
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<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, we have nothing!</p>
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<p>Speak for yourself I would still have stunning good looks and mint condition 1981 Skaterama tee.</p> -
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<p>bro, if we don't have assumptions that we know shit, <strike>we have nothing!</strike> the fern would cease to exist.....</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Milk" data-cid="589887" data-time="1466386065"><p>
Yeah, I know what you mean... but I think they owe it to Barrett to give him a start every now and then to push his case for that role too.</p></blockquote>
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Firstly do the AB selectors "owe" anyone?<br>
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<p>I don't know if I follow that line of thinking, he gets to push his case during Super rugby like Five Sopoaga did. If he shows his wares there and convinces the coaches he's the man for the starting 10 role then he'll get some starts.</p>
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<p>If that was the case I'm not sure Kaino would have started over Dixon, Cane over Ardie, and Lima would have started by now. From what I've seen, once you've been in the environment for a while they reward All Blacks form over Super Rugby form.</p>
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<p>Really?<br><br>
Firstly do the AB selectors "owe" anyone?<br>
Secondly to get a similar impact off the bench they would need to put DMac at 23.</p>
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<p>Yeah, what must be dozens of tests off the bench, many campaigns waiting for an opportunity and game changing impact in important games, would justify an opportunity to start for Barrett, in my opinion.</p> -
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<p>"We have got a good back-up in Lima coming off the bench if we do it that way or we can go the other way and put Lima into start. <strong>Beauden probably deserves to get the opportunity</strong>."</p>
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11659418</a></p>
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<p>It seems Hansen is thinking along the lines of starting Barrett.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81218861/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-endorses-beauden-barrett-for-firstfive'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81218861/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-endorses-beauden-barrett-for-firstfive</a></p>
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<p>Beat me by 5 seconds Milk.</p> -
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<p>If that was the case I'm not sure Kaino would have started over Dixon, Cane over Ardie, and Lima would have started by now. From what I've seen, once you've been in the environment for a while they reward All Blacks form over Super Rugby form.</p>
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<p>That's not strictly the same as what I'm saying. And I think it would silly to discount Super rugby when assessing how a 10 controls a game - Five definitely got in through his exploits in Super rugby and AC shared the 10 role with DC during our unbeaten run with is likely in part due to his steering the Chiefs to two championships.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="589972" data-time="1466404300">
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. </p>
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<p>He won a game for us in South Africa. That shit takes some doing, even now. Even more so last year.</p> -
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<p>I think people are underestimating Sopoaga's attacking game. He's deceptively quick and very good at identifying and exploiting space, probably plays quite a bit flatter than Barrett.<br><br><strong>No reason why he couldn't have a big impact off the bench.</strong></p>
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<p>Am sure he can have a big impact, but BB has set that bar pretty damn high! </p>
