Exodus 2017
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@nzzp said in Exodus 2017:
@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
Did we ever cut our nose to spite our face with this stuff? I can't remember anyone being unceremoniously dumped.
Charlie Piutau? Was seriously on the outer and not allowed to play a part season of Super.
yes, I can carry grudges for years.
You can reasonably put Piatau in the camp of ties going to players staying. Really easy arguments that players were ahead either on Super form that year (NMS, Naholo, Smith) or incumbency (Savea). Dagg beats him on experience, but little else at the time. He was comprehensively ahead of Jane for sure, though but not enough to make him a slam dunk selection for anything other than the Samoa game - which he played.
From memory over half the squads posted on here didn't include Piatau (mine did).
Not being able to play only the first part of a Super Season season is totally understandable - and without precedent. Obviously exceptions have been made in some cases missing chunks but it has always gone hand-in-hand with an ongoing commitment.
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Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
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@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?McAlister was ripping it up too before coming back and looking out of place (bar that match in Sydney ;)) in an AB jersey.
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@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?I thought Manu used to. Not Hames though.
Piutau isn't in France?
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@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?Tameifuna was rated the best THP in the Top 14 for the 2015-2016 season. I think the white and blue stripes make him look fatter but he seems fitter than when he was playing for the Chiefs. He has improved his scrummaging dramatically.
Among exports who do very well in France are Rory Grice and Toby Arnold. Not the greatest names in NZ rugby but they are pretty useful for their respective teams. -
@Bones said in Exodus 2017:
@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?I thought Manu used to. Not Hames though.
Piutau isn't in France?
Charles Piutau plays for Ulster.
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@Stargazer said in Exodus 2017:
@Bones said in Exodus 2017:
@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?I thought Manu used to. Not Hames though.
Piutau isn't in France?
Charles Piutau plays for Ulster.
Yup, in Ireland.
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Who gives a shit about Piutau? For whatever reason he chose to cash in instead of having any sort of decent All Black career. Not the sort of guy i want playing for the ABs. Would rather guys who are prepared to stay and fight for a jersey even if it costs them millions.
Evans is in the same basket. Could have played 50 tests with all the injuries Carter had after 2007 but chose the cash. He ripped it up in the NH but guys like Donald and Slade who stuck around have RWC winners medals. -
@cgrant said in Exodus 2017:
@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?Tameifuna was rated the best THP in the Top 14 for the 2015-2016 season. I think the white and blue stripes make him look fatter but he seems fitter than when he was playing for the Chiefs. He has improved his scrummaging dramatically.
Among exports who do very well in France are Rory Grice and Toby Arnold. Not the greatest names in NZ rugby but they are pretty useful for their respective teams.Tameifuina looked dreadfully unfit when I watched Racing play Glasgow.
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@Bones said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau isn't in France?
I know - that was my point. The four provinces of Ireland with Kiwi coaches obviously have better discipline and structures than French rugby, even at its best.
And I take the point abut guys pissing off to play for the $$$ instead of the jersey. But what is the solution? Pay them more money?? Offer a sabbatical?? We have that conundrum already in keeping Cruds, BFA and Izzy around let alone TH props. -
@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
@Bones said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau isn't in France?
I know - that was my point. The four provinces of Ireland with Kiwi coaches obviously have better discipline and structures than French rugby, even at its best.
And I take the point abut guys pissing off to play for the $$$ instead of the jersey. But what is the solution? Pay them more money?? Offer a sabbatical?? We have that conundrum already in keeping Cruds, BFA and Izzy around let alone TH props.Err...
Ulster - Les Kiss, Aus
Munster - Rassie Erasmus, SA
Leinster - Leo Cullen, Irl
Connacht - Pat Lam, NZ/Samoa -
@Pot-Hale
Rob Penney. Jonno Gibbes, Mark Anscombe, Joe Schmidt and Pat Lam have at one time all coached/or are still coaching in the Irish provinces -
@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
@Pot-Hale
Rob Penney. Jonno Gibbes, Mark Anscombe, Joe Schmidt and Pat Lam have at one time all coached/or are still coaching in the Irish provincesI was just pointing out that your initial statement/assumption about the four provinces with Kiwi coaches is not particularly accurate. Schmidt, Lam and Gibbes (now at Clermont rate highly.
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
@cgrant said in Exodus 2017:
@Crash said in Exodus 2017:
Piutau has been ripping it up lately, (and wouldn't look out of place in an AB jersey) unlike most of the exports to France who appear to get fat and lazy on the good food, and unholy diet of cheese, bread and wine - Joe Tekori, taumalolo, tuitavake and tameifuna spring to mind.
Can either Pauliasi Manu or Kane Hames play both sides?Tameifuna was rated the best THP in the Top 14 for the 2015-2016 season. I think the white and blue stripes make him look fatter but he seems fitter than when he was playing for the Chiefs. He has improved his scrummaging dramatically.
Among exports who do very well in France are Rory Grice and Toby Arnold. Not the greatest names in NZ rugby but they are pretty useful for their respective teams.Tameifuina looked dreadfully unfit when I watched Racing play Glasgow.
One game cannot be generalized to a whole season. I was talking about the 2015-2016 season when he was named best THP of the Top 14. If he had been unfit, he wouldn't have earned this.
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@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Who gives a shit about Piutau? For whatever reason he chose to cash in instead of having any sort of decent All Black career. Not the sort of guy i want playing for the ABs. Would rather guys who are prepared to stay and fight for a jersey even if it costs them millions.
Evans is in the same basket. Could have played 50 tests with all the injuries Carter had after 2007 but chose the cash. He ripped it up in the NH but guys like Donald and Slade who stuck around have RWC winners medals.I gave a shit when Fourie du Preez was bombing NMS in the RWC semifinal and we were getting pantsed.
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@Rapido said in Exodus 2017:
@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Who gives a shit about Piutau? For whatever reason he chose to cash in instead of having any sort of decent All Black career. Not the sort of guy i want playing for the ABs. Would rather guys who are prepared to stay and fight for a jersey even if it costs them millions.
Evans is in the same basket. Could have played 50 tests with all the injuries Carter had after 2007 but chose the cash. He ripped it up in the NH but guys like Donald and Slade who stuck around have RWC winners medals.I gave a shit when Fourie du Preez was bombing NMS in the RWC semifinal and we were getting pantsed.
Yeah if only he was selected instead of NMS.
Imagine what could have been. We might have won the rwc and piutau would have been the longterm 14. Oh wait, we did win it and Piutau was chasing the cash anyway. -
@Rapido said in Exodus 2017:
@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Who gives a shit about Piutau? For whatever reason he chose to cash in instead of having any sort of decent All Black career. Not the sort of guy i want playing for the ABs. Would rather guys who are prepared to stay and fight for a jersey even if it costs them millions.
Evans is in the same basket. Could have played 50 tests with all the injuries Carter had after 2007 but chose the cash. He ripped it up in the NH but guys like Donald and Slade who stuck around have RWC winners medals.I gave a shit when Fourie du Preez was bombing NMS in the RWC semifinal and we were getting pantsed.
This post is utterly ridiculous.
