Exodus 2017
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@Chris-B. I think it's easier to be seamless at 10 when you have the 2012 onwards version of Cruden and the 2016 version of Barrett (and the less deer in the headlights later version of Slade).
I didn't know they didn't tell Henry that Piri got injured in the warm up - who was they? The players?
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@Nepia Wayne Smith and Deb Robinson, I think.
Apparently Piri got injured running his own extended goal-kicking session the day before.
In Henry's book (which I just looked at) Graham noticed Piri looked to be favouring his leg in the wrm-ups and said "What's wrong with Piri?" Smith said he didn't know and would find out - and did so - asked Deb Robinson. Found out that Piri had a less severe case of DC's aductor tear - but, Piri was confident it would be OK when it warmed up. So Robinson already knew and hadn't told the coaches.
I can't recall the source of where I saw or read that they still decided not to tell Graham about this because they didn't want to worry him - at a glance I couldn't see it in Graham's book, but it might have been in the Weight of the Nation or some subsequent interview.
Someone will know.
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Maybe clutching at straws but maybe the bun in the oven chez les Dagg will keep Israel in NZ...
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
Maybe clutching at straws but maybe the bun in the oven chez les Dagg will keep Israel in NZ...
Yep. I thought the same. Nicer to have the family support for your first one.
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Charlie Faumuina to Stade Toulousain is now official
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@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2017:
Charlie Faumuina to Stade Toulousain is now official
Damn. Bloody Jauzy ...
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According to the All Blacks website, he'll move to France after the 2017 Super Rugby season. I assume that means that he'll not be available for the Lions tour. That will give Hansen and co some selection head aches, unless Nepo Laulala is fully fit again.
I see no indication of the length of his contract either. The media releases only say that he'll play for Toulouse during the 2017-2018 season, but nothing about following years. A contract for 2 years and one optional year is very common in France.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/30245/charlie-faumuina-confirms-french-move
Edit: old article from June suggests that Faumuina has signed a three year deal with Toulouse ...
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This is a very big loss since he was young enough to go to the 2019 RWC. With Afeaki lost to rugby, the stock of THP of international standard is now very thin in NZ. Nepo Laulala is his probable successor. He is a good scrummager but will he bring the necessary impact off the bench like Faumuina did ?
Franks being the likely starter for the All Blacks, maybe the selectors could look for a more dynamic prop (Atu Moli, JTA, Ofa T) to warm the bench ? -
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@Stargazer said in Exodus 2017:
According to the All Blacks website, he'll move to France after the 2017 Super Rugby season. I assume that means that he'll not be available for the Lions tour.
The Lions tour is during the Super Rugby season. He will be available, whether the selection panel blackball him is another thing.
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@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
@Stargazer said in Exodus 2017:
According to the All Blacks website, he'll move to France after the 2017 Super Rugby season. I assume that means that he'll not be available for the Lions tour.
The Lions tour is during the Super Rugby season. He will be available, whether the selection panel blackball him is another thing.
I doubt that'd do that. He is the clear number 2.
I'm hopeful that Laulala will step up but so far the only notable thing he's done in a Black jersey is miss a tackle on Nic White when he scored the match winning try a couple of seasons ago.
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@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
@Stargazer said in Exodus 2017:
According to the All Blacks website, he'll move to France after the 2017 Super Rugby season. I assume that means that he'll not be available for the Lions tour.
The Lions tour is during the Super Rugby season. He will be available, whether the selection panel blackball him is another thing.
Not a chance! The days of cutting of our nose to spite out face in order to "punish" a player are long gone.
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
@Stargazer said in Exodus 2017:
According to the All Blacks website, he'll move to France after the 2017 Super Rugby season. I assume that means that he'll not be available for the Lions tour.
The Lions tour is during the Super Rugby season. He will be available, whether the selection panel blackball him is another thing.
Not a chance! The days of cutting of our nose to spite out face in order to "punish" a player are long gone.
In 2012/3 Hansen outright said two players would have been new caps for a June squad if they hadn't signed off shore at the end of the season. I'm pretty sure we figured one was Bateman and can't remember the other.
He won't drop someone because they are heading overseas - but I'm sure the tie will go to someone staying. I expect Faumauina to be in the squad unless a young prop lights it up in the first rounds of Super Rugby and I don't see that happening.
Did we ever cut our nose to spite our face with this stuff? I can't remember anyone being unceremoniously dumped.
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@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
Did we ever cut our nose to spite our face with this stuff? I can't remember anyone being unceremoniously dumped.
Charlie Piutau? Was seriously on the outer and not allowed to play a part season of Super.
yes, I can carry grudges for years.
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@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2017:
Charlie Faumuina to Stade Toulousain is now official
Great, our only ball-carrying prop leaves. Massive loss and arguably a bigger loss than losing Dagg or Cruden.
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@booboo said in Exodus 2017:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2017:
Charlie Faumuina to Stade Toulousain is now official
Damn. Bloody Jauzy ...
He only ever has bad news, time to ban him?
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@nzzp said in Exodus 2017:
@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
Did we ever cut our nose to spite our face with this stuff? I can't remember anyone being unceremoniously dumped.
Charlie Piutau? Was seriously on the outer and not allowed to play a part season of Super.
yes, I can carry grudges for years.
You can reasonably put Piatau in the camp of ties going to players staying. Really easy arguments that players were ahead either on Super form that year (NMS, Naholo, Smith) or incumbency (Savea). Dagg beats him on experience, but little else at the time. He was comprehensively ahead of Jane for sure, though but not enough to make him a slam dunk selection for anything other than the Samoa game - which he played.
From memory over half the squads posted on here didn't include Piatau (mine did).
Not being able to play only the first part of a Super Season season is totally understandable - and without precedent. Obviously exceptions have been made in some cases missing chunks but it has always gone hand-in-hand with an ongoing commitment.
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