Italy v All Blacks
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@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
Not soul destroying if you don't deserve to be there.
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@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
This is the All Blacks. It's not a primary school sports day. It should be an utter privilege to be there. And there really shouldn't be consolation prizes for just turning up.
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@sparky said in New Zealand v Italy:
@ARHS said in New Zealand v Italy:
Geez you lot are a bit harsh on a bunch of players. Pretty soul destroying if you go on the AB tour and don't get a shot on the field. Lio Willie and Havili have been there whole time TJP deserves his send off. De Groot needs a chance. Opportunity for Fihaki Lam Holland and Bell to show what they can do in a test. I expect a few of these on the bench and some in starting xv.
This is the All Blacks. It's not a primary school sports day. It should be an utter privilege to be there. And there really shouldn't be consolation prizes for just turning up.
This kind of cliche is not the way to coach in the modern era. If we need to pick our best XV to beat Italy then we have a problem. Players like de groot and love, perofeta should get a shot. Italy struggled to get by Georgia who lost to the NZ XV.
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@foobaNZ said in New Zealand v Italy:
What's the point in TJ getting a shot? He's gone after this year.
Wonder if he'll see his calling and become a rugby ref.
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The All Blacks is a hard environment. It's been like that since 1903. And more often than not, it's served the team extremely well.
We're not good enough to put out a side full of second, third and fourth string players and not have a dip in performance.
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@game_film said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
There absolutely is harm in selecting TJP over Ratima.
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@Bones said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby why Lio-Willie and why drop Sititi?
Hardly dropping Sititi is it. There is a young man who has played (every minute?) the first four tests, so I think letting him watch a game wouldn’t hurt.
I also think debuting guys who have been on tour and are therefore in the thinking is a good idea, to keep them hungry
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Not what I'd do. Why not give Sititi 40 minutes and throw every lineout to him?
Likewise Ratima - you get nothing out of playing TJ. With Ratima you can work on his kicking from the base.
Roigard-McKenzie is the combination we need, and they haven't played that much together.
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@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
Team I’d personally pick (and I am fully aware the team won’t be anywhere near this):
- de Groot
- Bell
- Tosi
- Holland
- Barrett
- Lio-Willie
- Cane
- Lakai
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Tele’a
- Lam
- Ioane
- Jordan
- Love
- Taylor
- Williams
- Newell
- Lord
- Savea
- Perenara
- Perofeta
- Lienert-Brown
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@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby Too many noobs for me. It's still a test match
Handing out caps like participation medals.
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@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@brodean said in New Zealand v Italy:
The starting midfield has a bit of a tang to it.
Tang? What do you mean? I thought it meant something sharp?
Sharp lingering flavour or pungent odour, in this case the second one, week dead fish tang
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@reprobate said in New Zealand v Italy:
Not what I'd do. Why not give Sititi 40 minutes and throw every lineout to him?
Likewise Ratima - you get nothing out of playing TJ. With Ratima you can work on his kicking from the base.
Roigard-McKenzie is the combination we need, and they haven't played that much together.
There's always plenty to work on, I hate coaches wasting games with wholesale changes and caps for sentimentality or participation awards.Perenara is absolutely playing.
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I feel this team has some momentum in the right direction, finally. So let's use this opportunity to keep building our combinations even if its Italy. Especially at halfback. I would be annoyed if TJ etc gets a spot. Roigard has played sweet fuck all rugby and Ratima has been not great the past couple of tests.
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Is Proctor back? I'd love to see him get a run in the team proper.
I feel like when we've been forced to pick the newbies, alongside the "proper" squad, they've florished. If they get chucked in with the B team each time it doesn't give them the best chance to shine.
Roigard, DMac, Clarke, Jordie/ALB, Proctor, Jordan/Telea, Love
Would love to see that.
(up the Canes)
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@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Robertson's comments suggest there won't be as many changes as people are expecting. There is no way the AB XV additions like Holland start ahead of some of the AB squad players who haven't played in the last 3 tests.
I don't think his comments do suggest that, to be honest.
He's said they'll select the 'best team for the game against Italy' - that's very different to the 'best team' for the game against Italy.
They also selected the 'best team for the game against Japan' - it's the same policy they've been using all year.
But I also agree that Holland won't be starting - Lord and one of the other locks will be. But Holland could get a look on the bench if the coaches decide that Barrett and Vaa'i need a rest.
