Italy v All Blacks
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@Machpants They drew with France in France earlier this year and we could only manage a loss away against the same country. Their other results in 2024 are mostly not bad.
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@dogmeat said in Italy v All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
ALL BLACKS: v ITALY 2004 EOYT
S. Taumoepeau
A. D. Oliver
C. J. Hayman
C. R. Jack
N. M. C. Maxwell
J. Collins
R. H. McCaw
M. M. Tuiali'i
B. T. Kelleher
D. W. Carter
J. T. Rokocoko
J. F. Umaga (C)
C. G. Smith
R. L. Gear
J. M. MuliainaTotally different circumstances. Italy was the first game of the NH tour, the AB's hadn't played for 3 months and Ted made 9 changes for the next game against Wales.
We’ve just come off a loss so there will be some players who would be keen to avenge that loss. Razor has made 5 changes to the lineup that started last week.
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@ACT-Crusader duh. I thought it was just injury forced changes for starters except for swapping Vaai and Tuipolutu
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@Bones said in Italy v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Bones I'm just back in UK from NZ with jetlag and you were posting at 4 am!
Because someone paid their deposit!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Italy v All Blacks:
@dogmeat said in Italy v All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
ALL BLACKS: v ITALY 2004 EOYT
S. Taumoepeau
A. D. Oliver
C. J. Hayman
C. R. Jack
N. M. C. Maxwell
J. Collins
R. H. McCaw
M. M. Tuiali'i
B. T. Kelleher
D. W. Carter
J. T. Rokocoko
J. F. Umaga (C)
C. G. Smith
R. L. Gear
J. M. MuliainaTotally different circumstances. Italy was the first game of the NH tour, the AB's hadn't played for 3 months and Ted made 9 changes for the next game against Wales.
We’ve just come off a loss so there will be some players who would be keen to avenge that loss. Razor has made 5 changes to the lineup that started last week.
No he hasn't.
Williams is injured.
Finau HIA and Cane only missed last game due to injury.
Jordie HIA.
Tele'a back in after injury.The only actual selection he's done is swapping Tupou Vaa'i with Pat Tuipolotu, and put TJ in for Ratima on the bench for a farewell.
Slick work by coaching genius Robertson, don't know how he comes up with this stuff TBH. -
@KiwiMurph Italy are ranked 10th in the world at the moment, well below Argentina who are 5th just two place behind NZ. So an Argentina win was not a surprise.
I expect a 30-40 win by the ABs on Saturday, but I've seen Italy draw with France with year, beat Scotland and Wales and push England really close. Write them off at your peril.
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A pass mark this year will be winning comfortably against Italy.
Minimal pressure on Razor at the moment as the team has done pretty well.
2025 we seriously need to try out some new players and positions in the backline like Higgins, Love.
Forward pack coming together well.
If anything 2024 has been a bit conservative.
DMac is the first five in my book -
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do people really look at thrashing italy with a full strength team as finishing the season strong? do people actually think winning by 50 achieves something that winning by 20 but with some fresh blood woudlnt?....honestly might not even watch
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Another conservative selection from a very conservative coach. What's the point of picking Cane and TJ against a second rate team like Italy when they aren't going to be available next year? It's no wonder this team lacks the ruthless edge, how can they have it when the selections are so toothless by the coach. Rewarding mediocrity by continually picking guys like Reece and Havilli, and selections based on sentiment is not what you would expect in an AB setup.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Italy v All Blacks:
do people really look at thrashing italy with a full strength team as finishing the season strong? do people actually think winning by 50 achieves something that winning by 20 but with some fresh blood woudlnt?....honestly might not even watch
My thoughts too.
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I just so happened to be up last night when the team was posted on instagram. There was a typo so that post was taken down but before they did I read the comments.
Thought it was quite interesting that TJ Perenaras wife commented with the emoji ‘😴’. Would love to know what’s been said to her from TJ. My guess is her and some players are feeling the same exact way the fern are regarding selections.
I don’t want to make it out to be more than it is but I did think it was interesting and thought I’d share for something to discuss.
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@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
I just so happened to be up last night when the team was posted on instagram. There was a typo so that post was taken down but before they did I read the comments.
Thought it was quite interesting that TJ Perenaras wife commented with the emoji ‘😴’. Would love to know what’s been said to her from TJ. My guess is her and some players are feeling the same exact way the fern are regarding selections.
I don’t want to make it out to be more than it is but I did think it was interesting and thought I’d share for something to discuss.
I might be in the minority, but I find it very difficult to understand what people are trying to say when they use emojis. I have a friend that uses them all the time and I am always asking for clarification.
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@Crazy-Horse I'm with you. Off to the GOM thread.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
I just so happened to be up last night when the team was posted on instagram. There was a typo so that post was taken down but before they did I read the comments.
Thought it was quite interesting that TJ Perenaras wife commented with the emoji ‘😴’. Would love to know what’s been said to her from TJ. My guess is her and some players are feeling the same exact way the fern are regarding selections.
I don’t want to make it out to be more than it is but I did think it was interesting and thought I’d share for something to discuss.
I might be in the minority, but I find it very difficult to understand what people are trying to say when they use emojis. I have a friend that uses them all the time and I am always asking for clarification.
sleeping emoji which i read as "boring", ie put me to sleep
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what time is kick off, maybe it was that she will still be asleep?
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The selection philosophy from Razor and his team this year can only be described as either ultra conservative, picking all the same players Fozzie couldn't move on from, or anti-Blues / pro-Crusaders players. Even Sititi our breakout player of the year only made the squad as they were desperate to exclude Hoskins and Akira, and then only got a chance through injury to teachers pet Blackadder. I am struggling to think of a single inspired selection this year TBH. It's exactly the opposite of what I expected after reading the Razor fluffers go on about how professional and innovative he is.
