England vs Springboks
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Remembering those days when Borthwick was playing and all you heard was stuff like how technically good he was and what a good lineout caller he was. Very little was said about how ineffectual he was as a player given his physical gifts.
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@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
Much better then your Berry.
For a nation that hasn't produced a Test quality ref since Andre Watson, that's a really interesting position to take.
RSA has so much Rugby playing talent, in such big and well run system, and your peak contribution is Marius Jonker behind a TMO desk.
And he's bad at that.
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@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
Mail. Head.
Edit: fuck it NAIL.
your posts are getting rather Sicilian.
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@NTA said in England vs Springboks:
@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
Much better then your Berry.
<grabs popcorn. And a rewind video>
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@akan004 said in England vs Springboks:
@sparky said in England vs Springboks:
PSDT has been outstanding. Again. What a player!
Best in the world imo. Better than Dupont.
DuPont the GOAT. What a joke. He was so average yesterday.
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@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.
wait, what's wrong with your 8? from the 2 England games i watched this month the loose forward trio have been bloody good. what am i missing?
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Happy with that Bok win although still frustrated that we have yet to really find our rhythm on this EOYT.
For England... another loss that I'm sure hurts.
But, I really don't think England are very far off the pace. They just seem to miss a little something than when they find it, I believe will click them into gear. For what it's worth, I thought Underhill was colossal. How he isn't in every match 23 is beyond me.A question for @Dodge and @Catogrande and every other poster that watches English rugby closely:
Is this not the time for England rugby to adopt the approach of picking players even if they don't play in the Premiership?
Will that really undermine the England club game that much?Another question:
If Borthwick were to get the sack, who would you want as England coach?
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@mariner4life said in England vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.
wait, what's wrong with your 8? from the 2 England games i watched this month the loose forward trio have been bloody good. what am i missing?
Earl has done very well playing out of position. He’s very small for an 8 and lacks a bit of heavyweight punch. He’s made good ground with his speed and footwork to be sure but doesn’t have that extra when the speed etc gets nullified. He’s more of a natural 7 and let’s not forget that he became England’s 8 by accident when Borthwick only took one 8 to the World Cup - the washed up Billy V and was forced into making the change.
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OK, first question. In truth there aren’t that many playing abroad that would realistically be in contention. Jack Willis, Henry Arundell and Farrell. The former two stayed over in France due to being overlooked and or messed around by England and Farrell’ issues are fairly clear, plus he’s near the end of his International career. I can’t think of too many more tbh.
Second question. I think we’re stuck with Borthwick for the 6N but we need to be looking around for a replacement. Just who that may be is another matter. We seem to completely bugger up the timing in looking for our coaches, always looking desperately around because we’ve hung on too long and missed opportunities to secure good, proven International coaches. Hence my view of sticking with Borthwick for another 6 months of so.
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@Catogrande surely Farrell would love to return home?
As an AB fan, that would worry me.
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@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
OK, first question. In truth there aren’t that many playing abroad that would realistically be in contention. Jack Willis, Henry Arundell and Farrell. The former two stayed over in France due to being overlooked and or messed around by England and Farrell’ issues are fairly clear, plus he’s near the end of his International career. I can’t think of too many more tbh.
Playing Marcus Smith at 10, with Farrell at 12 would be a step up though surely?
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I’m not so sure, but it depends on how much he and his family are enjoying life in France. There is of course the money side of things and who in England has room within the salary cap to cope. More importantly though is that part of the reason he made the move was for the well being of his family and himself. He was getting a lot of online hate, which is despicable. Odd isn’t it that when someone is personally targeted and there are clear consequences for that person, the police are nowhere to be seen..
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@Billy-Webb said in England vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
OK, first question. In truth there aren’t that many playing abroad that would realistically be in contention. Jack Willis, Henry Arundell and Farrell. The former two stayed over in France due to being overlooked and or messed around by England and Farrell’ issues are fairly clear, plus he’s near the end of his International career. I can’t think of too many more tbh.
Playing Marcus Smith at 10, with Farrell at 12 would be a step up though surely?
It makes sense on paper but in truth you’d then have Farrell calling the shots and stifling Smith.
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@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
I’m not so sure, but it depends on how much he and his family are enjoying life in France. There is of course the money side of things and who in England has room within the salary cap to cope. More importantly though is that part of the reason he made the move was for the well being of his family and himself. He was getting a lot of online hate, which is despicable. Odd isn’t it that when someone is personally targeted and there are clear consequences for that person, the police are nowhere to be seen..
I think you're talking about the player?
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Farrell at 12 is done, he’s not enough of a threat with ball in hand and he doesn’t run off Smith’s shoulder. Lawrence should be 12 but our 13 also needs to carry more threat, there are a few around like Northmore at Quins who deserve a run.
Don’t know who could come in as coach now but assuming we haven’t pissed off and insulted F Jones beyond redemption I’d love him to have a go. My conspiracy theory head says that’s why we wouldn’t release him from his contract…
