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    @Machpants said in England vs Springboks:

    @Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:

    I don't get all the hate on here for Itoje. he is a very good player and has been consistently for a number of years. Yeah he had a shit game today but that alone does not make him a shit player.

    The hate is because he is the ultimate screaming at line outs, cheering knock ons obnoxious knob jockey

    He’s enthusiastic then. 😀

    We all have our players that have less than attractive traits, sometimes I wonder if it is part of their designated job. For Itoje it certainly seemed that way under Eddie.

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    Brace is a poor ref.

    Not as poor as England's edge defence.

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    Borthwick has to go. Just has too. Get a confident, established coach and let him build a coaching set up I might actually have heard of. Our defence is as bad as I can ever remember it, and our structured attack non existent.

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    @NTA Brace is a very strict ref, not bad. Much better then your Berry.

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    @Dodge said in England vs Springboks:

    Borthwick has to go. Just has too. Get a confident, established coach and let him build a coaching set up I might actually have heard of. Our defence is as bad as I can ever remember it, and our structured attack non existent.

    Reading between the lines, Jones left because of borthwicks autocratic style. Do you think borthwick can learn from this, or is he too dictatorial ? England have a long history of sacking coaches at just the wrong time. The team are not far off being really good.

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    @W32

    We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.

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    I’ve heard that Borthwick is paranoid, worried about losing his job and therefore a control freak. He’s the wrong man. The team look good in patches as they have some decent cattle (all be it were really short in the front row and in the centres), but the defence shows that the players don’t understand what the coaches want from them, my guess is that the coaches don’t understand either

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    @Dodge

    Mail. Head.

    Edit: fuck it NAIL.

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    Remembering those days when Borthwick was playing and all you heard was stuff like how technically good he was and what a good lineout caller he was. Very little was said about how ineffectual he was as a player given his physical gifts.

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    @OomPB said in England vs Springboks:

    @NTA Brace is a very strict ref, not bad.

    Brace has no feel for the game or its flow. He and his team got so many easy things wrong on the weekend, relying on the TMO for every tedious issue.

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    @OomPB said in England vs Springboks:

    Much better then your Berry.

    🙄

    For a nation that hasn't produced a Test quality ref since Andre Watson, that's a really interesting position to take.

    RSA has so much Rugby playing talent, in such big and well run system, and your peak contribution is Marius Jonker behind a TMO desk.

    And he's bad at that.

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    @Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:

    @Dodge

    Mail. Head.

    Edit: fuck it NAIL.

    your posts are getting rather Sicilian.

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    @NTA said in England vs Springboks:

    @OomPB said in England vs Springboks:

    Much better then your Berry.

    🙄

    <grabs popcorn. And a rewind video>

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    @akan004 said in England vs Springboks:

    @sparky said in England vs Springboks:

    PSDT has been outstanding. Again. What a player!

    Best in the world imo. Better than Dupont.

    DuPont the GOAT. What a joke. He was so average yesterday.

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    @Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:

    @W32

    We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.

    wait, what's wrong with your 8? from the 2 England games i watched this month the loose forward trio have been bloody good. what am i missing?

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    @Duluth said in England vs Springboks:

    Utterly useless fullback. Why replace Furbank with Steward?

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    @NTA you don't rate Peyper?

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    @OomPB said in England vs Springboks:

    @NTA you don't rate Peyper?

    Great super ref.

    Average Test ref.

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    Happy with that Bok win although still frustrated that we have yet to really find our rhythm on this EOYT.

    For England... another loss that I'm sure hurts.
    But, I really don't think England are very far off the pace. They just seem to miss a little something than when they find it, I believe will click them into gear. For what it's worth, I thought Underhill was colossal. How he isn't in every match 23 is beyond me.

    A question for @Dodge and @Catogrande and every other poster that watches English rugby closely:
    Is this not the time for England rugby to adopt the approach of picking players even if they don't play in the Premiership?
    Will that really undermine the England club game that much?

    Another question:
    If Borthwick were to get the sack, who would you want as England coach?
    (If it were me - I'd go with Felix Jones...)

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