All Blacks v France

MiketheSnow

Razor fucked around and found out

2-0 on a NH tour and he changes the team

That’s Wales level dumb

Victor Meldrew

Scott isn't the answer at captain, Beauden is out of date by a couple of seasons and Jordie barely gets a pass mark

I think Scooter has been OK as captain in his first season. Seems to be managing the Refs better than most and his general play hasn't suffered.

sparky

We need:

Better ball-carriers in the forwards.
Better exit work from the half backs and first fives.
Better passers of the ball in the three quarters.
More backs who can punt long.
More speed out wide.

sparky

@canefan said in All Blacks v France:

Is it just me, or has Jordan lost pace? Clarke looks like our fastest outside back by a mile

The general lack of top-end speed from our Back Three is a worry.

Victor Meldrew

@canefan said in All Blacks v France:

@DMX said in All Blacks v France:

Problem I have with Razor is many of his selections and tactics seemed like he was just trying not to lose, meanwhile we lost a lot of games we could have won anyway so that experience did not help us. Let’s be real he should have been working on replacements for Reiko , ALB, Reece, Beaudie for months.

Maybe he wanted a transition year. Well he's had that now, time to move a bunch of guys out and run the rule over their potential replacements

I get he wanted BB etc for continuity.and wanted a few Tests and the RC to get his feet under the table. That's sensible.

But I'd have preferred he rolled the dice a bit more and his 1st season was the ideal time to do this. There's been a host of selection successes though - they may have come from injury but are still successes..

SBW1

All Blacks player ratings vs France | Autumn Nations Series

The All Blacks built a half-time lead of 17-10 after tries to Peter Lakai and Cam Roigard, before France equalled proceedings early.

canefan

@sparky said in All Blacks v France:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France:

Is it just me, or has Jordan lost pace? Clarke looks like our fastest outside back by a mile

The general lack of top-end speed from our Back Three is a worry.

Jordan has that knack of ghosting into gaps. And Telea has that Corey Jane-esque balance and nice fend. Clarke is all power. But yes, no rocket man style gas

Bones

@SBW1 What the fuck

canefan

That intercept try was a coach killer. Whoever it was who failed to take the ball to ground to allow his forwards to recycle hurt our chances to win that game big time

brodean

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@Bones said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:

Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.

How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.

Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.

Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?

Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.

So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?

If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.

I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender and he had a 66 test career due to his aerial dominance, booming boot, playmaker ability and running game. Stevenson has similar strengths.

Dagg played when the ABs at win percentage in the high 80s and early 90s. He was also an important part of an RWC winning campaign. Obviously his turnstile defense didn't prevent the ABs from winning.

brodean

@canefan said in All Blacks v France:

That intercept try was a coach killer. Whoever it was who failed to take the ball to ground to allow his forwards to recycle hurt our chances to win that game big time

That was Vaa'i I believe.

antipodean

@brodean said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@Bones said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:

Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.

How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.

Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.

Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?

Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.

So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?

If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.

I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender

Fucking nonsense.

Chris

@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:

All Blacks player ratings vs France | Autumn Nations Series

The All Blacks built a half-time lead of 17-10 after tries to Peter Lakai and Cam Roigard, before France equalled proceedings early.

What a complete load of shit those ratings are who is the idiot who know's nothing about rugby, player performance or just general common sense wrote that dribble.

brodean

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@Bones said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:

Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.

How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.

Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.

Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?

Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.

So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?

If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.

I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender

Fucking nonsense.

"Daggs defence questioned"

An actual headline when Dagg was playing

https://www.scribd.com/document/218948188/Dagg-s-defence-questioned-The-Star-April-2-2014

junior

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:

@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:

We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.

And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.

The way that first half played out I agree, the way DMac plays we would have made a lot more of our possession

What was evident today is that our game plan and ability to score points when on top depends heavily on the quickness of DMac's pass.

canefan

@junior said in All Blacks v France:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:

@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:

We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.

And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.

The way that first half played out I agree, the way DMac plays we would have made a lot more of our possession

What was evident today is that our game plan and ability to score points when on top depends heavily on the quickness of DMac's pass.

We built our lead on the back of continuity and a direct, forward orientated game plan. In the third quarter we moved away from that plan and tried to play wider without doing the hard work, and that allowed the French back in

Victor Meldrew

@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:

Today we were up 14-3 and comfortable and just blew it.

Agreed. We fell apart in the later stages of the game. Quelle surprise.

It doesn't matter that we lost differently to the last 4 years, completely dominated or were comfortably up 14-3 at half-time. We still lost when we should have won.

It's the same poor game management and inability to remain cool and reassert control under pressure we've seen for the last 6-7 years. Today was pretty much a repeat of Bled 1 this year, Twickenham in '22 and much of Lions 2017.

I really thought a corner had been turned last week but we regressed - again. Maybe it's time to ditch the older players/make a fresh start with a new management group inc. the likes of Vaa'i, Sititi etc.

DaGrubster

@Jet said in All Blacks v France:

Ethan DeGroot probably glad he missed that meeting today. He'd have been blowing out his arse in that game of bull rush.

I think he has some serious work to do to regain his starting spot

junior

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France:

@LagerLout said in All Blacks v France:

We are miles off being a good team, personnel wise and strategy wise. We were bloody slow to the ruck in the second half. Our wingers are bollock slow. The only places we look dangerous are in in the starting front and back rows, the rest of it we are struggling. Feels like a bleak WC cycle to me. We had so much talent and where is it now.

I have pretty much the completely opposite view. NZ lost to one of the top four teams in the world at their fortress (and it is a fortress, the loudest and most partisan atmosphere you'll get at any ground around the world).

NZ have a great front row with Samisoni Taukei'aho still to return, some very good young loose forwards, two very promising halfbacks in Roigard and Ratima.

There are a few issues across the line-up but Razor will probably push the boat out a little more next year. There's a few pieces of deadweight that probably need to be moved on but already Cane and Perenara will be gone next year, Reece has probably played his last game in black, and there are a few more players who will be under a lot of pressure. It bodes well for the future, even if they didn't always get the biscuits this year.

Bolded bit - agree with this a lot but I am not sure that we are playing to this area of strength. We are still trying to play the game like we have the world's best midfield and back 3, and a relatively weak but mobile pack, which we clearly do not.

If Razor has half a brain, over the next 3 years, we will become much more a 10 man rugby team, that scores tries off mauls, close in running and chaos ball counter attacks.

antipodean

@brodean said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@Bones said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:

@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:

Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.

How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.

Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.

Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?

Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.

So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?

If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.

I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender

Fucking nonsense.

"Daggs defence questioned"

An actual headline when Dagg was playing

https://www.scribd.com/document/218948188/Dagg-s-defence-questioned-The-Star-April-2-2014