All Blacks vs Ireland

Frank

@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Leave Roigard on the bench as we need impact and he can bring it.
Ratima may not have been great v England but has played well all year
Poss look at bringing CR on with 30min to go rather than 20?

No way.
Cam is just better.
A more confident player and leader.
Ratima can come in to speed the game up (although he was too slow clearing in this game)

KiwiMurph

My gut says Perenara is in the 23 and leads the haka

canefan

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Leave Roigard on the bench as we need impact and he can bring it.
Ratima may not have been great v England but has played well all year
Poss look at bringing CR on with 30min to go rather than 20?

I think Cam gets them moving quicker and is more aggressive, be a shame for him to have less minutes.

Or do we stop looking at this in terms of better players start? The second unit played very well to kill off the game. In fact I liked their pattern better than the first half team. Cam could come on at half time. DMac was very assured when he came on too, a real impact. Patty T too

kidcalder

@canefan Exactly
The bench is the 2nd wave that can also contain what Joe public think as the better players - they come on and change the pace and tempo.
They lift the guys around them and thats what we have been missing all year in that final 20min....finally looks like we may have got it right and people want to change again to having lesser players coming off the bench

reprobate

25 minutes for the best players and 55 for the lesser ones? No thanks.

Bones

@kidcalder I don't think that's the case at all. Pretty bizarre selecting a poor player to start, just so the guy that replaces him is better.

kpkanz

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

25 minutes for the best players and 55 for the lesser ones? No thanks.

Genuinely how I see it, feels like I'm being gaslit.

Should we have brought in Lomu/Cullen/Carter off the bench because they'll be SUPER effective against tired defenders??

I was already pissed off enough that we only gave Roigard/Dmac 20 minutes to try get us out of the hole the starters put us in.

No surprise every game Dmac has started this year we were prone to building big leads and then our bench not finishing. I don't think the reverse of that is better by bringing in inferior bench players to START the first 60.

kidcalder

@Bones Selecting a poor player for the AB's ... a bit creative
Not really what I was saying was it

Bones

@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones Selecting a poor player for the AB's ... a bit creative
Not really what I was saying was it

If you're advocating for guys like BB to start because the player who replaces him is better, that's really what you're saying.

kidcalder

Actually Im not a BB fan and I prefer Dmac to start and BB to bench as I also believe BB plays better off the bench
I would like Sititi to start at 8 and Savea on the bench ( not necessarily to replace Sititi ...maybe at 7)
The player i had mentioned was only Roigard who at this time I think is better off the bench rather than starting... my opinion - his strength and pace v tiring forwards can change the game.
That is right now... not next year or WC

canefan

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@kidcalder I don't think that's the case at all. Pretty bizarre selecting a poor player to start, just so the guy that replaces him is better.

For me, it's more a horses for courses situation. Unfortunately we can't replay the match all over again, changing the starters around to see how they would have reacted in the reverse roles

Frank

Halfback is not a position which it matters so much to have impact as the forwards. (such as bringing on Patty T)

Provided the halfback is fit enough to play the style, you can keep him on for as long as you need, especially if he's superior to the other option - as we did with Aaron Smith.

I'd say you start Roigard, and replace him if he begins to fade.

nostrildamus

Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

Bones

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

We sure could use a superhero or two for this game.

kidcalder

Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

sparky

Ireland, as number 1 side in the world and playing at home, are rightly the bookmakers' favourite to win this one. Form suggests they will win too. Can the All Blacks create an upset?

https://oddspedia.com/rugby-union/ireland-new-zealand-330476