All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
How the fuck did England lose that?
A poor selection of the bench, backed up by poor use of said poor bench. This loss is on the coaches.
The game was a hard watch I have to say. Though I liked the way Gardner interacted with the players and overall was ok. Thought the double yellow that wasn’t was all a bit confusing. So the initial yellow was rescinded because that piece of play wouldn’t have happened if the first one had been given in real time? Well ok, sort of but the to allow the PK to be taken at either place just seems contradictory..
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Watching second half again.
Reserve props smashed English scrum which gave us heaps of momentum. Forward play in general seemed stronger.
Roigard made a big difference. Very quick decision making and he actually moves with the ball off the back of the ruck while making decisions making play more dynamic while Ratima is a touch slower and holds at base of ruck a lot more letting defence set themselves.
Even though BB didn’t have a great game and his kicking is painful, I think Ratima put him under pressure a few times with this slower play.
DM to start for me and BB in last 30 like 2nd Eng test. -
BB plays with Christie and has also played with TJP so should be used to slower ball.
Has anyone noticed our captain pulling the team together and pushing them over the line this season?
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Ratima for me was suprisingly poor.
B B was BB shit.
Scott Barrett actually did a ton work a lot of tackles and grunt work.
Vaai looked out muscled today.
Patty T was awesome of the bench, Telea much better from him today and Sititi is a brilliant selection by Razor he was Hugh again.
BB,Cane time to move on from these two.
For all you D Mac fan boys brilliant pressure conversion from the sideline.
A win at Twickers is a win only penalties and the intercept from Ratima kept England in the game.
This tight win away may grow this team with some changes.
A lot of people were saying we will not win any of the main 3 games, well we have won one. -
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
10 is now our only real worry
And complacency.
True
and discipline. And tactics. And bench timing. And loosies. And midfield.
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@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England to win by 6+
I should wait until I read the whole thread yet but I'm expecting you to be happy unless you are an English fan.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle.
farce-icicle? A chilly farcical kick to the spine?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Wallace Sititi was my player of the day, fuck he’s awesome. Mark Telea had some beautiful touches as well and how about that try.
Beauden isn’t the answer at 10, kick…kick…kick. Jesus Christ, we looked more like England than England at times. Where’s the innovation?
Ouch. Second most painful comment in this thread.
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@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet We were heading for a comfortable win before the Ratima intercept. Then we shut down after that with England (who are 5th in the world) in front of their fans pumped up and full of momentum for the next 20 mins.
And we still brought it back and clutched (reminiscent of the old ABs).
We were comfortably the better team (albeit while playing horrible rugby with BB at 10 directing).
We looked much more dangerous immediately with Roigard/Dmac on and BB/Jordie off.
> My standards are higher than this.
It wasn’t good enough.
This is the worst comment on the thread.
Unless you are an All Black player or coach and actually putting your arse on the line (not a barstool in Madrid) your standards don't matter a damn. -
Just watching the replay now. 9 minutes in, Telea scores in the corner. I actually like our patience despite the lack of forward progress early. As the half progresses, it becomes quickly apparent that BBs kicking game is shite, but of course we knew that. A potpourri of chip and cross kicks, aimless ground kicks and aimless bombs, with the odd good kick.
I don't like us trying all that fancy close quarters passing shit behind the advantage line or as we hit the line. We waste good attacking ball when we more often than not spill the pill
I love the enthusiasm with which the England fans sing a slave's song as if it was their own... 🙄Nice cut after some good ground gains sees Jordan over. The TMO tries to convince Gardner that there is a knock on in order to take away the try, but to his credit he isn't having a bar of it.
30 minutes in, and we still haven't got the hang of not tackling their dummy runners. Come on boys, sharpen up
The first forward receiver loves to pass the ball to BB or someone else out the back before hitting the gain line, how many times do we get over the gain line using this strategy? More often not
We are getting pinged in the scrums, and in a 60 second passage Jordan gets hit behind the gain line after another ill advised pass, Sititi regathers and streaks upfield only to combine with Vaii to squander a great chance at a try through poor pass fundamentals
Right on halftime Vaaii gets pinged for side entry at maul time. I didn't hear him get a warning to get out?
We lacked accuracy too many times, and I don't like that passing behind the line
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As stated by someone else Roigard put a heap of pressure on the Ford drop kick. Well done.
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That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
We cant play catch up rugby with Ireland.
Our strongest axis 8-9-10-12 at the moment is probably starting Sititi-Roigard-DMac-ALB. It wont happen though. -
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
We are getting pinged in the scrums, and in a 60 second passage Jordan gets hit behind the gain line after another ill advised pass, Sititi regathers and streaks upfield only to combine with Vaii to squander a great chance at a try through poor pass fundamentals
I think if the ABs had scored there is a chance the try would have been disallowed anyway. It looked like the ball came off an AB foot to Sititi who was in front.
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Holy shit we won! How good? Scored some sexy tries. Only let England score one off an intercept.
Bench that we used were mainly really fucking good.Some real positives.
Sititi is some fucking player aye? What an incredible test match. Just a kid starting a test at Twickenham and he was incredible. His defence and ruck work continues to improve to support that run game.
Telea back on the right wing was really fucking good.
Tight forwards worked hard and for the most part held England, though you would say for the majority the standout forwards were in white.
Bench impressive. Tosi came on and was hugely powerful. Patty T immense.
If we can keep it tight we have the individual talent to seize hald moments and score. We led.at half time despite being 2nd best. And we won the game. That's really all that matters? -
But holy shit we made that game far harder than it should have been. Credit to England's defence, they were good at hitting what's in front of them. But that's not hard when the opposition takes every opportunity to kick the ball away.
Fucking beauden Barrett. Can that be the end? Please? Kicking lots is not controlling thr game, it's just giving the ball away. Over and over again.
Ratima struggled to combine with BB as well, huge and repeated breakdowns in communication.
We are a dumb, dumb rugby team scating by on individual talent. So many blatant and stupid penalties. Bad options. Inviting pressure.
For all Sititi is amazing, the other 2 loose forwards are doing nothing. And it is damning for Ardie Savea that cane is probably playing slightly better. 7 and 8 can quietly move on thanks. Maybe Ardie comes back next year after now that he's had his "back from Japan and a bit shit" season. But they are net negatives and the kid next to them is making them look worse.
Vaa'i back to earth a bit today, but he and Barrett were buried in the tough stuff. Starting scrum was ropey, but tighties okay around the park. Lineout went as expected with Aumua forced to play 78.
Our midfield is fucking ordinary. Jordie is not fit (and another dumb player) Ioane is miles out of form. Clark did not.get the ball in space for a long time. Chase another uncontestable kick Caleb.
Playing a better team than England with a better 10.than Smith we don't win today.
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Also I have realised today that coaches don't do anything.
The way the ABs play depend on who is picked not who is coach. DMac is 10? Fast fast, lots of passing lots of phases. BB is 10? Kick everything always.Foster? Robertson? Doesn't matter. Today looked like 2022 all over again.
Also, coaches don't make subs. 7&8 were having poor games, so what do we do? Leave them on for 80 and not even try to do anything different.
You can point to the scoreboard and say it worked, if you want to ignore how much luck that took.
