World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
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@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
sorry, was Mr fish!
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
sorry, was Mr fish!
What did you call me ?
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@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
sorry, was Mr fish!
What did you call me ?
I had a head knock
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
The studies out of Ireland and apparently France and England show that tackle height have lowered and injuries have fallen since the policing of head high tackles was taken more seriously. South Africa have clearly lowered their tackle height as a result of the punishments for high tackles. It seems it has worked in most places. With one or two obvious exceptions…
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@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
The same South African team that had a player carded for tackling too high and hitting a player with his head, a tackle we see often resulting in red cards (even down here in the apparently lawlessness that is SH rugby).
As others have highlighted it's the inconsistency that's the issue.
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@Chris said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
⏱️60 conversion shot-clock
Like. Reduces time wasted.
⏱️ 30-second scrum and lineout limit, managed by the referee
Like. Reduces time wasted.
💪 Marking inside the 22m line from a restart
Like. forces either a long kick with risk of going in-goal, or contestable.
🏉 Single-stop mauls: The ball must be played after one stoppage in a maul
Ok. Like a good maul. Forces defenders to not spread.
🏉 Play-on un-straight line outs when uncontested
Don't like. If you throw it not straight it's your error. Have seen awful not straights, with this rule in place, where opposition just could not compete and pulled out of jumping called not contested. They couldn't contest. Just throw it straight. If you don't it's an error that should be punished.
🏉 Protection of the scrum-half at scrums, rucks and mauls.
Don't get this, need additional info. You can't play any player without the ball, but should be able to smack him as soon as he has ball in possession. If he gets swamped in a legit counter ruck tough shit.
📺 Television Match Official (TMO) protocol, empowering officials to spot clear infringements in the final phases before scoring.
Ok, but don't go looking for stuff that is inconclusive, only definitive (cough Taylor to Reece Bled 1)
🟥 A red-carded player can be replaced with another player after 20 minutes
Excellent for unintentional head contacts, in air collisions etc. Disagree with @Dodge about level of deterrent, it's plenty. But agree with those who suggest straight red for acts of thuggery (knees, boots, punches, eye gouge etc)
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@booboo said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Like. forces either a long kick with risk of going in-goal, or contestable.
So you're saying teams may opt to kick it past the tryline? Yeah, nah.
All evidence so far points to it being dumb. It just provides most teams with a clean option to hoof it out upfield, rather than work to retain the ball and then risk doing without the extra 10 metres.
You will very rarely see teams trying to work their way out of their own 22.
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@reprobate said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
With that lineout rule, is it not possible for someone to take a quick throw after a line out has formed? Just pass it to your 10 and nobody in the opposition jumps - good as gold.
Not straight if it is outside the lineout lines, even if the oppo don't jump.
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@reprobate said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
With that lineout rule, is it not possible for someone to take a quick throw after a line out has formed? Just pass it to your 10 and nobody in the opposition jumps - good as gold.
Pretty sure I've seen that done already. Fuck it just pass it straight to the halfback.
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@Bones said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So you're saying teams may opt to kick it past the tryline?
No. I'm saying the risk of kicking it deeper is that they'd kick "dead", so they won't do that, and kick off's to anywhere shallow in the 22 are at risk of a decent clearance as a FK under no pressure, so kick offs are likely to be contestable. Which is a good thing.
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@booboo said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Bones said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So you're saying teams may opt to kick it past the tryline?
No. I'm saying the risk of kicking it deeper is that they'd kick "dead", so they won't do that, and kick off's to anywhere shallow in the 22 are at risk of a decent clearance as a FK under no pressure, so kick offs are likely to be contestable. Which is a good thing.
They already are. I don't get why a law that loses us yet another variation of play is a good thing.
I like seeing teams battle to get out of their 22 from a kickoff, it's part of rugby.
I like that we see variations on kickoffs, it's part of rugby and a good thing.
Deterring that, isn't a good thing.
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The not straight rule opens up some possibilities. If you are attacking 5 m out and you are convinced they won’t compete: hooker throws to 10….
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@Billy-Tell said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
The not straight rule opens up some possibilities. If you are attacking 5 m out and you are convinced they won’t compete: hooker throws to 10….
You may as well not have lines out
Oh wait...
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@booboo said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
🟥 A red-carded player can be replaced with another player after 20 minutes
Excellent for unintentional head contacts, in air collisions etc. Disagree with @Dodge about level of deterrent, it's plenty. But agree with those who suggest straight red for acts of thuggery (knees, boots, punches, eye gouge etc)
If they can separate technical red cards (20 minutes and replaced) from clear redcard level thuggery (not replaced, just removed?) then I like this.
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@Bovidae said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
The lineout throw still needs to be within the outside shoulders.
For those saying, why not just throw it straight, it would be good if refs applied the same rules for scrum feeds.
Whataboutery doesn't help either get solved.
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They should have brought in a 20 minute orange card for dangerous but not malicious head high tackles. And left red cards for gouging kicking biting etc.
