All Blacks EOYT
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
It's funny how big a whipping boy Caleb has become. The way he is spoken about you would think he was rusted in to the jersey for a decade, and keeping generational talents out of the team. He played 14 tests in like 6 years. He did manage to score 9 tries in those 14 games too.
Yep, against Tonga, Canada, Italy and a 2002 version of Ireland.
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I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Robin Brooke had a last tour up north in the late 90s and was well off the pace. Sad to see; felt a bit of a farewell pick at the time.
Exceptional player though
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Robin Brooke had a last tour up north in the late 90s and was well off the pace. Sad to see; felt a bit of a farewell pick at the time.
Exceptional player though
fair, we're still talking a long time since we've seen it
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
Firstly, did that happen?
Secondly, I'd remain neutral because it's my job and I'm a professional - I'm not going to have a sulk because someone else does - and particularly a young man with every right to be very fucking disappointed. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
Firstly, did that happen?
Yes - the social media post was public, and Foster literally spoke about the phone call thing.
Secondly, I'd remain neutral because it's my job and I'm a professional - I'm not going to have a sulk because someone else does - and particularly a young man with every right to be very fucking disappointed.
Fair enough if that's your view. Personally though, there is a degree of respect. I find it a pretty entitled way to act (particularly the phone call) for a guy who had less than 15 ABs caps to his name.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Firstly, did that happen?
Foster made a comment that he was disappointed Sotutu didn't answer the phone. The media ran with the story that Foster was pissed with Sotutu. Foster clarified to some in the media (Parsons in particular) that players miss calls all the time and it wasn't an issue.. he was disappointed he missed the chance to explain the situation to Hoskins before it was in the media
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@Duluth said in All Blacks EOYT:
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Firstly, did that happen?
Foster made a comment that he was disappointed Sotutu didn't answer the phone. The media ran with the story that Foster was pissed with Sotutu. Foster clarified to some in the media (Parsons in particular) that players miss calls all the time and it wasn't an issue.. he was disappointed he missed the chance to explain the situation to Hoskins before it was in the media
He never returned the call though - this has been widely reported.
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If the coaches were guiding the team to 80% wins against the top teams I'd be less inclined to criticise but they ain't.
Social media etiquette and body language shouldn't be a priority when you're not winning the tough ones.
It's all nothing compared to stalking a woman and her boyfriend then smashing her teeth out.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks EOYT:
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Firstly, did that happen?
Foster made a comment that he was disappointed Sotutu didn't answer the phone. The media ran with the story that Foster was pissed with Sotutu. Foster clarified to some in the media (Parsons in particular) that players miss calls all the time and it wasn't an issue.. he was disappointed he missed the chance to explain the situation to Hoskins before it was in the media
The fake version sounds better.
Remember, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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For right or for wrong, they view Sotutu as a bit of a sulker- a flat track bully.
During the selection process, Robertson sat down with players and pored over match footage, while ahead of the squad naming, assistant coach Jason Ryan made it clear the selectors would be analysing players’ body language when the going got tough.
“We believe Wallace is an incredible young talent, the harder the game, the higher he rose in regards to his performance,” Robertson said.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
That's a fundamental shifting of the goalposts though. You argued above that it was attitude and sulking that was the issue - that is not the same as 'not good enough'
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Sevu Reece and Shannon Frizell have both beaten up women, but it is Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu who always have their names dragged through the mud as if they are bad eggs so don't deserve selection. People have lost their fucking minds.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
That's a fundamental shifting of the goalposts though. You argued above that it was attitude and sulking that was the issue - that is not the same as 'not good enough'
I think as I have tagged above though, they view his attitude and sulking as part of the problem.
