All Blacks EOYT
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Firstly, did that happen?
Foster made a comment that he was disappointed Sotutu didn't answer the phone. The media ran with the story that Foster was pissed with Sotutu. Foster clarified to some in the media (Parsons in particular) that players miss calls all the time and it wasn't an issue.. he was disappointed he missed the chance to explain the situation to Hoskins before it was in the media
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@Duluth said in All Blacks EOYT:
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Firstly, did that happen?
Foster made a comment that he was disappointed Sotutu didn't answer the phone. The media ran with the story that Foster was pissed with Sotutu. Foster clarified to some in the media (Parsons in particular) that players miss calls all the time and it wasn't an issue.. he was disappointed he missed the chance to explain the situation to Hoskins before it was in the media
He never returned the call though - this has been widely reported.
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If the coaches were guiding the team to 80% wins against the top teams I'd be less inclined to criticise but they ain't.
Social media etiquette and body language shouldn't be a priority when you're not winning the tough ones.
It's all nothing compared to stalking a woman and her boyfriend then smashing her teeth out.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks EOYT:
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Firstly, did that happen?
Foster made a comment that he was disappointed Sotutu didn't answer the phone. The media ran with the story that Foster was pissed with Sotutu. Foster clarified to some in the media (Parsons in particular) that players miss calls all the time and it wasn't an issue.. he was disappointed he missed the chance to explain the situation to Hoskins before it was in the media
The fake version sounds better.
Remember, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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For right or for wrong, they view Sotutu as a bit of a sulker- a flat track bully.
During the selection process, Robertson sat down with players and pored over match footage, while ahead of the squad naming, assistant coach Jason Ryan made it clear the selectors would be analysing players’ body language when the going got tough.
“We believe Wallace is an incredible young talent, the harder the game, the higher he rose in regards to his performance,” Robertson said.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
That's a fundamental shifting of the goalposts though. You argued above that it was attitude and sulking that was the issue - that is not the same as 'not good enough'
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Sevu Reece and Shannon Frizell have both beaten up women, but it is Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu who always have their names dragged through the mud as if they are bad eggs so don't deserve selection. People have lost their fucking minds.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
That's a fundamental shifting of the goalposts though. You argued above that it was attitude and sulking that was the issue - that is not the same as 'not good enough'
I think as I have tagged above though, they view his attitude and sulking as part of the problem.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
That's a fundamental shifting of the goalposts though. You argued above that it was attitude and sulking that was the issue - that is not the same as 'not good enough'
I think as I have tagged above though, they view his attitude and sulking as part of the problem.
How do you think they view beating up women? That's A OK?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Social media etiquette should not be a criteria for AB selection.
I don't think anyone said it should be. But think about it like this:
If you were a coach, and a player refused to answer a phone call explaining his non-selection, and went on to make a cryptic social media post moaning about it, would you be more or less likely to be inclined to select him in the future?
One thing we seem to have learned is that Ryan/Razor seem to hold grudges.
To answer your question - if I thought someone could add to my team's perforamnce, I would do what it took to get them engaged. Writing people off is what bad managers do. Getting the best out of different people and personality types is a strength I expected Razor to have (in particular). Arguably Hansen had it. Henry definitely had it.
I don't think I disagree with any of that, but I think the bold text probably explains it. I don't think they see Sotutu as being better than Savea at 8, so therefore felt he was out of their plans.
That's a fundamental shifting of the goalposts though. You argued above that it was attitude and sulking that was the issue - that is not the same as 'not good enough'
I think as I have tagged above though, they view his attitude and sulking as part of the problem.
How do you think they view beating up women? That's A OK?
Probably the same way as you or I would view it - grub behaviour.
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@No-Quarter and I would have preferred neither of them ever got near an AB jersey as a result. Not like they were ever outstanding but even if they were.....
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sevu Reece and Shannon Frizell have both beaten up women, but it is Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu who always have their names dragged through the mud as if they are bad eggs so don't deserve selection. People have lost their fucking minds.
They have good body language on the field though.
#betterstancesmakebetterallblacks
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
It's funny how big a whipping boy Caleb has become. The way he is spoken about you would think he was rusted in to the jersey for a decade, and keeping generational talents out of the team. He played 14 tests in like 6 years. He did manage to score 9 tries in those 14 games too.
I remember sitting in the stands in Wellington 2003 when the ABs played Dallaglio's England. This woman behind me was going on about how Caleb was better than Jonah. I wanted to laugh and strangle her in equal measure. Jonah was twice the player Caleb was, even when he was hooked up to dialysis
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lol shit, i thought some people had a go in here. No one hates the ABs more than Hamish Bidwell. Even by his own phenomenally low standards, his last article on the Roar is pretty terrible.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
Ignore the first third or so about the French not turning up, some good loose forward analysis
Will the withdrawal of the ‘top 20’ devalue France’s tour of New Zealand?
In resting Antoine Dupont and the rest of his 'premiums', has Fabien Galthie undermined a mouth-watering voyage?
I'm not sure we're in a position to be getting our knickers in a twist just yet. There's the distinct possibility their second team could give us a real contest.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
lol shit, i thought some people had a go in here. No one hates the ABs more than Hamish Bidwell. Even by his own phenomenally low standards, his last article on the Roar is pretty terrible.
I felt it would be a hell of an effort to make me dumber, but Bidwell managed it.
For those that haven't had the pleasure:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/10/08/all-blacks-tour-squad-is-a-reason-for-despair-only-heavy-losses-are-likely-to-shame-razor-into-delivering-change/
