If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?
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NZ Rugby is in massive trouble from the top down.
I havnt seen anything this year to alleviate my fears.
The Irish French and South Africans have fresh talent coming out of their ears and we are stuck in the mud.
The Allblacks got to the RWC final on muscle memory alone. It was a death rattle.
We look a beaten docket.
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@Bones said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
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18 months ago we didn't have a front row / scrum. Now we do. That's huge.
Vaai is sorting out the lineout.Well done Foster then eh.
In all seriousness, Vaai is an example of how to develop a player over a couple of seasons. Foster spotted something there, tried him in several positions, kept faith, Ryan carried on the good work and Robertson had a relatively experienced player to work with when injury hit and he was able to step up.
If only we could do the same in other positions like 10, 12, 13 15...
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@Victor-Meldrew and 7
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@BerniesCorner said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Victor-Meldrew and 7
Yep. And I think we have enough experience and depth at 7 to bring the likes of Lakai into the 23 on the EOYT.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Bones said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
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18 months ago we didn't have a front row / scrum. Now we do. That's huge.
Vaai is sorting out the lineout.Well done Foster then eh.
In all seriousness, Vaai is an example of how to develop a player over a couple of seasons. Foster spotted something there, tried him in several positions, kept faith, Ryan carried on the good work and Robertson had a relatively experienced player to work with when injury hit and he was able to step up.
If only we could do the same in other positions like 10, 12, 13 15...
Or they could do as they've done with Sotutu, Proctor...
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@No-Quarter said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
Scotland and Wales won't be too happy going into the end of the year, this year would have been a golden opportunity for them to beat us.
Japan or Italy might burst their All Blacks cherry.
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@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
Look how fast the Foster era turned around when Schmidt and Ryan came on board. There is hope, we have some very good players. But so far Razor is not picking them and IMHO not quite playing a style that translates to test level. But to me it feels like a few tweaks in gameplan and personnel and we could right things dramatically
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We are going to be fine.
We need a few strong personalities to steady the ship and I can see a lot of promise in Williams, Vaai, Sititi , Roigard and Ratima. -
@canefan said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
Look how fast the Foster era turned around when Schmidt and Ryan came on board. There is hope, we have some very good players. But so far Razor is not picking them and IMHO not quite playing a style that translates to test level. But to me it feels like a few tweaks in gameplan and personnel and we could right things dramatically
I don't know if the rumours about Schmidt not wanting to work with Robertson are true or not, but NZR were besotted with the idea of a fresh start with Robertson at the helm for 4 years and must have known they were losing key expertise and experience NZR have made their bed and it's up to them to support Robertson in any way they can.
The last thing we need is another man-management debacle like we had with Foster last year. No coach deserves that.
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@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
I don't think it's that bad that it can't be turned around in a year or two, though clearly changing the coach wasn't the simple magic wand many were led to be believe.
A fresh look after the EOYT and a reassessment of what the coaching setup needs to move things forward would be a good start. Maybe get grey-hairs like Vern Cotter working with Robertson on a more day-day basis.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
I don't think it's that bad that it can't be turned around in a year or two, though clearly changing the coach wasn't the simple magic wand many were led to be believe.
A fresh look after the EOYT and a reassessment of what the coaching setup needs to move things forward would be a good start. Maybe get grey-hairs like Vern Cotter working with Robertson on a more day-day basis.
@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
I don't think it's that bad that it can't be turned around in a year or two, though clearly changing the coach wasn't the simple magic wand many were led to be believe.
A fresh look after the EOYT and a reassessment of what the coaching setup needs to move things forward would be a good start. Maybe get grey-hairs like Vern Cotter working with Robertson on a more day-day basis.
I think the quarter final victory is doing some serious heavy lifting in our perceptions of where we are at.
Ireland beat us 7 or 8 times out of 10 these days in my opinion.
We won the important game, sure, but I dont think it accurately reflects the trends of both nations.
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@Jet said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
I think the quarter final victory is doing some serious heavy lifting in our perceptions of where we are at
Dead right. If we had 1/10th of the focus in that game we'd have likely won the RC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@canefan said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
Look how fast the Foster era turned around when Schmidt and Ryan came on board. There is hope, we have some very good players. But so far Razor is not picking them and IMHO not quite playing a style that translates to test level. But to me it feels like a few tweaks in gameplan and personnel and we could right things dramatically
I don't know if the rumours about Schmidt not wanting to work with Robertson are true or not, but NZR were besotted with the idea of a fresh start with Robertson at the helm for 4 years and must have known they were losing key expertise and experience NZR have made their bed and it's up to them to support Robertson in any way they can.
The last thing we need is another man-management debacle like we had with Foster last year. No coach deserves that.
The rumours that Razor went to HQ and threatened to leave NZ if he didn't get the ABs job are apparently true. So they made their choice
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I don't have any issues with Cane being around the 23 but he isn't an 80 minute player so by all means bring on a replacement
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@canefan said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@canefan said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@sparky said in If we win Bled 2, are you happy heading into the end of year tour?:
@Jet I think we'll be Quarter Finalists at best in the next two World Cups. The Golden era for NZ Rugby is well and truly over.
Look how fast the Foster era turned around when Schmidt and Ryan came on board. There is hope, we have some very good players. But so far Razor is not picking them and IMHO not quite playing a style that translates to test level. But to me it feels like a few tweaks in gameplan and personnel and we could right things dramatically
I don't know if the rumours about Schmidt not wanting to work with Robertson are true or not, but NZR were besotted with the idea of a fresh start with Robertson at the helm for 4 years and must have known they were losing key expertise and experience NZR have made their bed and it's up to them to support Robertson in any way they can.
The last thing we need is another man-management debacle like we had with Foster last year. No coach deserves that.
The rumours that Razor went to HQ and threatened to leave NZ if he didn't get the ABs job are apparently true. So they made their choice
No that is not true,lol just rumours and there is millions of them floating around.
