Should Ardie play 7?
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@Machpants said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Because he's fucking dumb
I reckon Ardie playing 8 in the first place was fucking dumb. It only happened because Cane was named captain so was untouchable at 7, and it has fucked our loosie balance for years.
Now Ardie at 8 is untouchable apparently.It also happened as he was so good off the base of the scrum. He started playing 7 but 8 on attacking scrums then morphed from there. They actually had him at 6 for ages too, with Read 8
Was so good at the base of the scrum - indeed. Has anyone noticed that recently?
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@African-Monkey said in Should Ardie play 7:
Last time he was seen as a 7, journeyman Matt Todd jumped ahead of him.
Todd was better than that.
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@dogmeat said in Should Ardie play 7:
@BerniesCorner I don't think you'll get an argument from anyone on that one.
It's the notion that Ardie at seven is part of the solution that I have issues with
Fair enough and really the issue is at 6 and 8. Wipe away favoritism and who are the best trio and where?
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@reprobate said in Should Ardie play 7:
@Canes4life said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Well we better uncover a really big 6 then.
Why? Lakai is around 110kg which is fine for an international 7, and Sititi is around 114kg which is definitely big enough for an 8.
Oliver Haig and Caleb Delany have the potential to come into the fray at 6 over the next couple years. Both around 1.96m and 115kg.
That would be a big loose forward trio compared to what we have now, way more balanced as well than all these 6.5 / 7.5 players we have atm.
Because I don't think 2 out of 3 AB loosies should be shorter than me, and because Jacobson, Blackadder, Dalton - even Cane - are listed as taller than Lakai and Sititi.
Lakai is darn close to McCaw height. He seemed to go alright.
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Dade I say it Ardie is a better distributor at 12 than Jordie. Might be a problem with his kicking though.
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@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
@African-Monkey said in Should Ardie play 7:
Last time he was seen as a 7, journeyman Matt Todd jumped ahead of him.
Todd was better than that.
OK, solid journeyman then.
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@reprobate said in Should Ardie play 7:
Jacobson, Blackadder, Dalton - even Cane
Lol those four you've mentioned above aren't exactly great examples of players that get us go forward though, are they?
If Kwagga Smith, Michael Hooper, Siya Kolisi et al can be effective at international level, there is no issue with Lakai and Sititi as a combo, aslong as they are balanced out with a big 6 that can dominate (so not Finau). The ABs need more than just a 'good tackler' at 7, someone that can actually be effective on both sides of the ball.
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This does make me wonder why Papps isn't being selected...
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@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in Should Ardie play 7:
@Canes4life said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Well we better uncover a really big 6 then.
Why? Lakai is around 110kg which is fine for an international 7, and Sititi is around 114kg which is definitely big enough for an 8.
Oliver Haig and Caleb Delany have the potential to come into the fray at 6 over the next couple years. Both around 1.96m and 115kg.
That would be a big loose forward trio compared to what we have now, way more balanced as well than all these 6.5 / 7.5 players we have atm.
Because I don't think 2 out of 3 AB loosies should be shorter than me, and because Jacobson, Blackadder, Dalton - even Cane - are listed as taller than Lakai and Sititi.
Lakai is darn close to McCaw height. He seemed to go alright.
People saying Lakai is too small obviously haven't seen him in person. The guy is a brick shithouse, thanks to his African and Tongan genes.
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@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
This does make me wonder why Papps isn't being selected...
Yeah settle down, no one thinks he has the goods to play 12
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@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
This does make me wonder why Papps isn't being selected...
Yup, great defender but not a threat at all on attack.
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@Canes4life said in Should Ardie play 7:
@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
This does make me wonder why Papps isn't being selected...
Yup, great defender but not a threat at all on attack.
I'm beginning to think it is team tactics so the 6 and 8 can ... do something...
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@Canes4life said in Should Ardie play 7:
@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in Should Ardie play 7:
@Canes4life said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Well we better uncover a really big 6 then.
Why? Lakai is around 110kg which is fine for an international 7, and Sititi is around 114kg which is definitely big enough for an 8.
Oliver Haig and Caleb Delany have the potential to come into the fray at 6 over the next couple years. Both around 1.96m and 115kg.
That would be a big loose forward trio compared to what we have now, way more balanced as well than all these 6.5 / 7.5 players we have atm.
Because I don't think 2 out of 3 AB loosies should be shorter than me, and because Jacobson, Blackadder, Dalton - even Cane - are listed as taller than Lakai and Sititi.
Lakai is darn close to McCaw height. He seemed to go alright.
People saying Lakai is too small obviously haven't seen him in person. The guy is a brick shithouse, thanks to his African and Tongan genes.
He's pretty much the same size as McCaw but slightly heavier and he's bigger than Ardie. He's also only 21 still so I'd say he will mature even more.
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I've no doubt that Lakai will be on the EOYT. It could possibly be the last test for both Cane and TJP in Wellington. Cane brings up his 100th test and TJP plays his last test at home.
Ardie doesn't go to many attacking rucks so you need a 7 and 6 who clean to retain possession. That allows Savea to carry, which is his strength in this team.
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@Bovidae said in Should Ardie play 7:
Ardie doesn't go to many attacking rucks so you need a 7 and 6 who clean to retain possession. That allows Savea to carry, which is his strength in this team.
Yeah that's all well and good, except Sititi is better at it.
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@nostrildamus said in Should Ardie play 7:
Dade I say it Ardie is a better distributor at 12 than Jordie. Might be a problem with his kicking though.
And we can see that fucking stupid dummy pass over and over again.
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@nzzp said in Should Ardie play 7:
@MN5 said in Should Ardie play 7:
Forget 7, Ardie should play 12.
stuff that, Tosi to 8
Edit: he'll be like Hayman!
Tamati Williams was a loose forward too..
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@Canes4life said in Should Ardie play 7:
@reprobate said in Should Ardie play 7:
Jacobson, Blackadder, Dalton - even Cane
Lol those four you've mentioned above aren't exactly great examples of players that get us go forward though, are they?
If Kwagga Smith, Michael Hooper, Siya Kolisi et al can be effective at international level, there is no issue with Lakai and Sititi as a combo, aslong as they are balanced out with a big 6 that can dominate (so not Finau). The ABs need more than just a 'good tackler' at 7, someone that can actually be effective on both sides of the ball.
But you were proposing it as an improvement on all the 7.5s, and in terms of size (or at least height) it isn't.
Kolisi/Kwagga play with Wiese and du Toit - both big men.
McCaw played with Read and Collins - both big men.
I hope Lakai and Sititi both go great, but neither is that big - so picking both risks just being a more dynamic set of 7.5s to me.
