All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
We all agree that if we lose against this Wallabies side Razor should be sacked?
No.
For me, on results alone the only unexpected result was Arg I.
I expect these guys to build a decent team.
I think we were hopeful (only hopeful) of one win in Africa. Gave ourselves two chances, which is more than many were expecting.
Mind you, I was always glass half full with Fozzie too.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
My starting 15 for the Wallabies
15 Love (more solid option than Jordan)
14 Reiko
13 Proctor (time for a real centre)
12 Jordie or ALBThis shit is dimwitted beyond belief. The problem isn't the centre, it's the bloke inside him and his poor decision making.
DMac has displayed he's a rabbit in the spotlight. How many more times do we need this "learning"? Start Plummer.
Savea to the bench. Sititi to start at 8.
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If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games? It's not like our forward pack is going to do a Blues and bully everyone else into submission. There's been plenty of comments about our lack of ball running, our lack of making the advantage line, our being static when we receive the ball.
McKenzie missed a few kicks, and threw a bad pass, and put up a shit defensive bomb. He's still the only guy we have whose passing is quick and accurate enough to get around the rush. -
@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
This talk of sacking Razor is madness.
Yep we’ve lost too many games for anyones liking, however i can see clear improvement in tactics and the way we’re playing.
He’s slowly but surely bringing in fresh talent, though I’d like him to be a bit more ruthless with some of the underperforming senior players.
Boks are a good side, with the majority having been together for years, know how to win (much like our 2011-2015 ABs teams.
It’s not all doom and gloom, if we’re still making the same mistakes and losing close games in another 12 months then it’ll need a re-think.
Well it's clearly in the context of the last few years where there were constant calls to sack Fozzie even after he managed to not lose a RC at all.
The posters who were ready to string him up can't complain now when the same standards are being applied to the Messiah.
I'm not sure I'm seeing this "clear" improvement you can see.
(This is not me saying he should be sacked, just pointing out that in the context of the Fern over the last few years it's not as "madness" as you may think).
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games? It's not like our forward pack is going to do a Blues and bully everyone else into submission. There's been plenty of comments about our lack of ball running, our lack of making the advantage line, our being static when we receive the ball.
McKenzie missed a few kicks, and threw a bad pass, and put up a shit defensive bomb. He's still the only guy we have whose passing is quick and accurate enough to get around the rush.He was not as one dimensional as posters acuse him of. He set his outsides and dictated play. What are we scared of? Worst case is he's exactly what you say, his game doesn't translate to test level. But what if he takes to it like a duck to water? I just don't see the downside of giving the kid a crack when the incumbents have not nailed their spots down
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Looking at this squad, I think the strongest loose forward trio is now Cane at 6, Sititi at 8 and Dalton at 7. Savea as an impact sub.
Cane and Dalton have high work rates and tackle everything, Cane is particularly hard hitting in defence. Dalton and Sititi have good ball carrying, Dalton links well as well. Blackadder, just no.
I did have a raised eyebrow for “both sides of the ball” watching Savea and Sititi miss tackles and be not that great going backwards.
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Ratima’s good performance shows it might be time to move on from the likes of TJ, BB, Savea.
Fosters (and Hansons) biggest faults were making it almost impossible to be dropped. Wallabies should be easy, time to build for the EOYT and put his own stamp on the team, RC is gone.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Or McKenzie at fullback with Love off the bench
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
As for ten, I d like for them to try Plummer for the first 50min and bring on DMac. Plummer gets his outsides going well, kicks for territory well, tackles well and runs hard and straight. DMac still plays for himself too much and does the Mounga run sideways and fuck up the backline thing.
Love deserves a shot at 15, can’t be worse than Jordan.
Or McKenzie at fullback with Love off the bench
Strikes me as the best way to give Plummer his debut.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games?
What as opposed to our 0 try effort last night?
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Yeah can't say I understand the logic Plummer is only good as a bailout once your forwards have pummeled the opposition.
He's a very good attacking ten that takes great options and distributes extremely well. Might not be as nimble as DMac but from what I've seen he's at least as capable everywhere else and better at tactical kicking and taking it up.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
If we were to go for Plummer, how exactly are we going to win games?
What as opposed to our 0 try effort last night?
Since DC we've been looking for this quicksilver style 10, that can razzle and dazzle, to succeed him. But people forget the guy was an excellent passer, kicker, and tactician. I don't see the harm in running the rule over a guy whose strengths lie more in that region. But at the same time Plummer's no pocket 10 in the O'Gara or Fox mold
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Plummer fast becoming the new (gets better the less he plays) favorite.
(though I agree he needs a shot)
Huh? People are just commenting he's played well and it might be good at have a backup ten that's not as shit as BB. Hardly favourite...
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Plummer fast becoming the new (gets better the less he plays) favorite.
(though I agree he needs a shot)
Huh? People are just commenting he's played well and it might be good at have a backup ten that's not as shit as BB. Hardly favourite...
Just wait, it has begun.................................
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Plummer fast becoming the new (gets better the less he plays) favorite.
(though I agree he needs a shot)
Huh? People are just commenting he's played well and it might be good at have a backup ten that's not as shit as BB. Hardly favourite...
Just wait, it has begun.................................
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
We all agree that if we lose against this Wallabies side Razor should be sacked?
The gloss has well and truly come off and all the hype around Robertson has turned out to be, well, hype.
But I say stick with him as a new coach needs more time. Also (broken record alert) I think there are way deeper problems with NZ rugby affecting the ABs than just the coach. That said, we need a review of his tenure so far to see what's missing, if he needs support and also start asking questions on if he's really up to Test rugby or how much more time he needs.
As @Hooroo says, worst scenario is 2 thumping wins over the Wobbles which paper over the cracks.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Looking at this squad, I think the strongest loose forward trio is now Cane at 6, Sititi at 8 and Dalton at 7. Savea as an impact sub.
Warrior Sam will be gone end of year so there's an argument to look to the future and give Lakai a shot against Oz - poss. from the bench.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Something like:
Williams, Taylor, Lomax, S. Barrett, Vaa'i, Wallace, Papalii, Sotutu, Ratima, DMac, Clarke, J. Barrett, Proctor, Jordan, Love
Aumua, De Groot, Newell, Darry, Cane, Hotham, Plummer, R.Ioane
If Blackadder is fit I can't see him not being in the side. The biggest problem I have with this team though is why there's only one player with just his first name used. Baffling.
